Funding everyone to have multiple children???

[MyLimeGuide]

Hello all, this issue seriously gets me down, as someone who has worked solidly since forever (im 45) always wanted 2 children. I have 1, realised I cant afford 2, seeing what labour have done, lifting the 2 child cap for benefits MADDENS me to the core! Not because of my own circumstances, im more than happy with one and I can give him everything.
Im a teacher, currently working in a SEN school, the majority of the cohort are from non working families with multiple siblings. Their biggest problem is neglect. Often these kids tell us their mum is pregnant again!!
i have seen this pattern with neglected children un every single school ive worked in. Unbelievable that Labour want to increase this!
It's not to help children, its the opposite.
Its unfair on hardworking people to be expected to fund it.
I believe EVERYONE is entitled to be a parent, regardless of circumstances, but NOT breed like its a hobby (a freeloading one with no care)

AIBU - Let everyone breed as much as they want regardless of circumstances its their god given right.

AINBU - This is unfair, children should be born into families that can afford to look after them fully and offer them the time and nurture they need to develop into humans with good mental health.

Lol and you are calling me ignorant?? Its my opinion, as shared with MANY others. Thankyou though for your lively contribution 😆

What’s your point though? So what if I copy and paste? I see some of the same posters making similar arguments across different threads. I’m just more efficient with my arguing. I mean do you disagree and really think someone should be given an extra 300 for every child they have? I’ve got 3 kids and found the jump from two to three financially not that bad I mean once you’ve got all the clothes and stuff to reuse it’s not like one child’s food is going to cost £300 a month. I know this being mumsnet someone will say you need an extra 3 grand a month for each child though to pay for the extra room en-suite and pony lol. Especially when people not on benefits don’t get a pay rise every time they have a kid of course they’re going to be resentful labour won’t get in at the next election and all this will be undone anyway

the budget is about child benefit for more than 2 children though.

£17 a week per child
£68 per month.

that’s not funding anyone’s lifestyle. It wouldn’t even pay for their electric bill.

I'm with you. If families are making choices which are not well thought out, why is having some extra money going to suddenly mean they will make better choices. Children's acheivement is mainly based on 3 main things - their innate ability, parental engagement and parents setting a positive example of hard work and aspiration. I do believe we need to invest in the next generation, but do not feel this was the best way to do it.

Having daughter going through 11+ at the moment I can see a few groups of parents (among the brighter children) which illustrates the reasons why more money is unlikely to change long term outcomes

• those who can easily afford tutoring and pay for it
• those who can just afford it by going without any extras such as holidays etc or by taking on an extra job (us)
• those who can't afford it but work with their children on past papers, support with their learning in the best way they can with limited funds, sign up for free charity funded tutoring courses and instill in them a belief that they can acheive if work hard
• those who can't afford it and do not have aspiration for their child. Their children are well presented and loved, but the concept of 'aiming high' just isn't there. Even if given money to pay for it, wouldn't be seen as something important for them. My daughter bf is in this group - bright girl but says her mum doesn't even want her to sit the test as she wants her to go to same school as she did, stay in same housing estate as her mum and whole family grew up on and that her goal is to be a beautician. It makes me sad that this girl, who is kind, funny and at least as bright as my daughter, won't get same opportunities not due to money but due to aspiration.

I think she is calling you ignorant, yes, and evidence would suggest she is correct.

Don’t you think opinions can be ignorant?

Do you ever let facts affect your 'opinion'?

It’s universal credit not child benefit

Dont you mean 'teachers should be left wing'?

So I am guessing you don't claim Child Benefit for your child, @MyLimeGuide?

Except I bet you do. So you don't have a problem with childless people funding your kid, but you have an issue with your taxes funding other people's kids?

And I bet that if the change had no been the lifting of the cap and had, instead, been the child benefit increase that was floated at one point, you would have accepted that with vigour and not said a word.

Maybe they mean teachers should be able to use grammar and punctuation correctly and when looking after disabled children and children in poverty, teachers should be a bit more fucking considerate of them.

Yes lets start with SENs funding and free childcare - Two MN favourite benefits.

Around £26 billion is spent on both of these.

Or how about the £13billion spent on Child benefit? lets freeze that.

People always want the benefits they don't claim, cut.

I may think someones opinion is ignorant and visa versa yes but just telling someone their opinion is ignorant because they dont agree, or dont want to understand is pointless and IGNORANT imo

Ah ok that makes more sense as to the context of the thread.

I dont look after disabled children you just made that up.

visa versa 😂

It’s like when you take someone else’s passport and they get yours 😂

Calling someone ignorant because they don't want to understand is ignorant? Okaaaay

The govenment child cap benefit change im talking about is universal credit benefit no i do not claim that.

But you still accept money from childless people for your child - you still accept a benefit. And I thought you looked after SEN children? Some of those children will no doubt have disabilities, will they not?

Again its nothing to do with child benefit ,,child benefit has NEVER been limited to two children its the child element of universal credit which is significantly more..

No, I'm not convinced money is the motivation either. But the real question is whether giving more benefits will change the long term trajectory of these children's lives. Or whether that money would be better invested into education to improve the chances for all children, into social services to support the most vunerable families, into building more social housing to make housing for low earners nore affordable and better quality. There is only so much money to go round and it's working out how to best spend it. IMHO investing in housing builds up a long term support option for the country which will to some extent pay for itself, it's a long term asset. Money given out in benefits is just gone, it cannot be reused, reclaimed or grown.

No its mental health.

Fair enough, both my points still stand. You accept free money for your child from other people's taxes but you don't want anyone else to benefit from yours. And mental health, disabilities, kids in poverty - your views are really unpleasant for someone in your position.

How many people on here actually have 3+ kids? I’ve got 3 and if you already have all the stuff from your older two you really don’t need an extra 300 a month, hard working tax payers don’t get a 300 pay rise every time they have a child! Of course there’re going to be resentful and labour won’t get in again so even if you think this is the right thing to do it’s just going to be undone once labour are out.

Personally I think if anything they should make it so people of all ages get the same universal credit did you know under 25s get a lot less? Even if they live alone and have kids of their own. I’ve been there having my first at 16 but didn’t have any more until I was older and financially better off why do these older parents who have numerous kids they can’t support get an easy pass?