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Do you think Brits are really as broke as the media makes out

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SlothfullyYours · 25/11/2025 00:32

I took some flexi leave this afternoon to run some errands and do some "life admin."

Started off in town. The shoppers' car park was packed, the shops were packed, coffee shops packed. People spending money.

Came home and tried to book car in for a service - garages booked up weeks in advance. Tried to get some trades round to quote for work on the house - all too busy (have been trying for months!).

Friend popped round. Recently started as a self employed cleaner. She says all her slots for house cleaning have been snapped up - and she's charging £20 per hour and we're in the Midlands!

My hairdresser & dentist (private) - have to book weeks/months in advance.

Are we really as skint as the media makes out?

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elliejjtiny · 25/11/2025 00:36

Like a lot of these things, some people are and some people aren't.

SlothfullyYours · 25/11/2025 00:40

Well, obviously ...

I'm talking about as a whole, given the amount of doommongering about the Budget.

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UserFront242 · 25/11/2025 00:41

Even skint people still have to go shopping, get their car repaired, and see a dentist.
You wont know they are skint though, unless you think they should have a neon sign above their head saying "BROKE"

IDontHateRainbows · 25/11/2025 00:44

You dont see all the people who stayed home that day due to being skint.

SoftBalletShoes · 25/11/2025 00:44

The things you've described are necessities. I think it's more likely a reflection of there being way too many people squeezed onto a small island.

LadyLolaRuben · 25/11/2025 00:45

A lot of what you mention are basic / essential services. A coffee tagged onto these events isnt much extra.

Large purchases such as car sales, house purchases etc are more considered these days and activity has slumped according to the figures.

Malariahilaria · 25/11/2025 01:06

I think similar sometimes but I think where I live in the south east, there's a lot of highly paid people who perhaps are cutting back by not buying an extra house or not putting kids in private school but can easily afford cleaners and restaurants. My town centre is also full of people shopping but I see the overall retail stats so I know it depends where you are. Where my MIL lives half the shops are boarded up and restaurants are shutting down regularly.

Doingtheboxerbeat · 25/11/2025 01:19

Malariahilaria · 25/11/2025 01:06

I think similar sometimes but I think where I live in the south east, there's a lot of highly paid people who perhaps are cutting back by not buying an extra house or not putting kids in private school but can easily afford cleaners and restaurants. My town centre is also full of people shopping but I see the overall retail stats so I know it depends where you are. Where my MIL lives half the shops are boarded up and restaurants are shutting down regularly.

This 👆.
OP you're looking at this all wrong - instead of just going by your personal observations which are just brimming with confirmation bias, maybe try doing your own research at statistics. How many of your relatively well-off mates, who have always been well off , are taking less holidays a year compared to previous years?

Those airports, bars may be super busy but how busy compared to pre Brexit, pandemic and Ukrainian/Russia?

SlothfullyYours · 25/11/2025 01:23

I just got back from a city break in Europe actually. Plane and airport packed. No change since Brexit etc each time I go abroad.

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Doingtheboxerbeat · 25/11/2025 01:36

SlothfullyYours · 25/11/2025 01:23

I just got back from a city break in Europe actually. Plane and airport packed. No change since Brexit etc each time I go abroad.

Whenever I notice massive queues , I see how many staff they have actually serving - it's usually a lot less than they need. Ask them and you'll find that they are massively short staffed and have been for years because they aren't hiring replacement staff .

Then you go back to that same store in your town centre months later and it's gone . Those statistics aren't made up op, even if we're personally doing ok.

CuriousClaimant · 25/11/2025 01:44

I think people consume too much then complain they’re broke. Always changing outfits, home decorating, even poor people are doing it. Amazon and temu addictions.
I always thought the “stop buying avocados or coffees out” if you want a mortgage were just a saying to point out that people spend too much.
it’s not everyone’s situation but it is most people’s.
I think mental health is the biggest reason for it though.

WhenIwasayoungster · 25/11/2025 01:45

This is a really interesting question, OP.

I've been thinking that the media annd so many people have latched onto the catchphrases 'cost of living crisis' and people having to decide between 'heating and eatiing'.

I hate it when these catchphrases are bandied about. It is just lazy reporting and journalism. I feel they are used to shut down reasonable discussions about decisions, choices and accountability of people.

There will always be persistently poor people and those who have brief periods of being poor, but whose circumstances can change. It is nothing new for people to be in crisis. No matter how we try and however much money is thrown at it, it will never go away.

We live in a capitalist society. For that to work, we have people at the bottom, in the middle and at the top. Don't want that, then let's give super socialism a try. Guess what that doesn't work either. You either have, China, Russia or Venuzeula as examples. But then you still have people at the bottom, in the middle or at the top, it just depends on your political allegiances or family coonections with those in power. You do though, just need to also give up a few personal freedoms and liberties. More so than in capitalist countries at the moment. But looking at Trumpland, who knows.

How about a halfway house such as the Scandinavian countries. Still have the poor (but not as poor as in the UK), middle and top earners. But those in employment have to pay a lot more tax to enable the governments to be so much more benelovent to those in need.

But the majority in this country are doing well as you've seen, going about their business. They may shop a lot more in the discount shops, but they do so out of choice, alongside those that do so out of necessity.

But do we make that majority a little poorer to make the poorer a little better off? Not a bad idea. That is, until that is happening year after year.

What happens then? The majority doing okay, don't feel so okay and the resentment starts. Why work full time when you can work part-time or not at all like your formerly poorer neighbour who now has a similar level of income?

What we need to stave off community tension and disillusionment with the established political parties is a wholesale root and branch reform of government, work, benefits and society. But unfortunately, none of the traditional parties would bite the bullet and implement wholesale changes. Because of kicking the can down the road, we may end up with a party that will likely make ultra radical changes that may alter our society negatively rather than for the better. But heyho, maybe they will not be as bad as feared and may be the needed catalyst for change by other parties.

SlothfullyYours · 25/11/2025 02:07

Even skint people still have to go shopping, get their car repaired, and see a dentist

They might have to go food shopping but I'm not talking about doing that in the city centre I was in today. Though M&S food hall was crammed as always.

I'm not talking about car repairs but servicing, you'd skip the latter if you were broke.

And you wouldn't be paying £90 for a dental check-up if you were skint.

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SlothfullyYours · 25/11/2025 02:12

Ask them and you'll find that they are massively short staffed and have been for years because they aren't hiring replacement staff

Because shoppers have been scanning their own shopping at the supermarket for years now. And checking in online before boarding a plane.

And I'm not being complacent. AI will take my job in the next few years and I worry about DC's job prospects when they graduate. But I'm still not convinced most folk are broke!

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notanothernamechange24 · 25/11/2025 02:17

SlothfullyYours · 25/11/2025 02:07

Even skint people still have to go shopping, get their car repaired, and see a dentist

They might have to go food shopping but I'm not talking about doing that in the city centre I was in today. Though M&S food hall was crammed as always.

I'm not talking about car repairs but servicing, you'd skip the latter if you were broke.

And you wouldn't be paying £90 for a dental check-up if you were skint.

Yes they would. Because skipping things like routine dental checks and car services cost more in the long run. Lots of garages offer payment plans too. And how do you know what people are taking their cars to the garage for? You don’t.

Doingtheboxerbeat · 25/11/2025 02:22

SlothfullyYours · 25/11/2025 02:12

Ask them and you'll find that they are massively short staffed and have been for years because they aren't hiring replacement staff

Because shoppers have been scanning their own shopping at the supermarket for years now. And checking in online before boarding a plane.

And I'm not being complacent. AI will take my job in the next few years and I worry about DC's job prospects when they graduate. But I'm still not convinced most folk are broke!

You have a point about self serve and I also worry about how Ai overall is going to contribute to job loss in the future. I admit am a born worrier but I'm also known to be able to see around corners 🫣😳. Maybe I'm jumping the gun.
As you were op 😉.

UserFront242 · 25/11/2025 02:27

SlothfullyYours · 25/11/2025 02:07

Even skint people still have to go shopping, get their car repaired, and see a dentist

They might have to go food shopping but I'm not talking about doing that in the city centre I was in today. Though M&S food hall was crammed as always.

I'm not talking about car repairs but servicing, you'd skip the latter if you were broke.

And you wouldn't be paying £90 for a dental check-up if you were skint.

You don't know the reason why people are taking their cars to garages, or why they are going to the dentist.

They could be doing those things and cutting back in other areas. You just don't know. And seeing someone in Starbucks and thinking it means they are not skint is not really the gotcha you think it is.

SlothfullyYours · 25/11/2025 02:33

Yes they would. Because skipping things like routine dental checks and car services cost more in the long run

but if you're broke you can't afford check ups for your teeth or your car. That's what being broke means! You're sort of proving my point.

Lots of garages offer payment plans too. And how do you know what people are taking their cars to the garage for? You don’t.

I do because they told me they had no slots available for services because they were all full.

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SlothfullyYours · 25/11/2025 02:36

As you were op

I've not heard that phrase on MN for years 😊 Someone will tell me to "jog on" next!

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Useitupwearitout · 25/11/2025 02:40

Confirmation bias in action, you can afford to go to those places so you see other people who can afford to go to those places why would people bother going if they can’t afford anything in them? Cars are expensive to run and even if you have one petrol costs mean people often only journey for essential travel rather than for leisure, and bus fares are hugely expensive to travel to expensive shops where you can’t afford anything when you get there.
Come to my neck of the woods, extremely deprived area in a generally affluent city, go to the local food banks, charities helping families get a bed for their kids to sleep on rather than the mattress on the floor or the sofa, these local charities having to put nappies and formula or their wish list of donations constantly due to need, people food shopping just before closing to get yellow ticket items, not on a whim but out of necessity. Local community centres putting on social meals like a soup and sandwich for anyone who wants one no questions asked.
If you did come and see all these people at these places you would think very differently,
But if you went into our city centre yes car parks are full, people carrying lots of shopping, plenty of full restaurants and coffee shops.you only see what you want to see

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 25/11/2025 02:43

"I'm astounded that people who can afford to run cars and shop in M&S are running cars and shopping in M&S"

notanothernamechange24 · 25/11/2025 02:50

SlothfullyYours · 25/11/2025 02:33

Yes they would. Because skipping things like routine dental checks and car services cost more in the long run

but if you're broke you can't afford check ups for your teeth or your car. That's what being broke means! You're sort of proving my point.

Lots of garages offer payment plans too. And how do you know what people are taking their cars to the garage for? You don’t.

I do because they told me they had no slots available for services because they were all full.

My mechanic is always full too. But he has also laid off 3 people this year because of falling customers.

And you don’t know what or how people are paying for dental treatment.

You have a very clear agenda with this thread. There are a lot of people really struggling in this country and it’s getting worse not better. You can refuse to believe it if you choose.

hattie43 · 25/11/2025 04:03

I’ve seen all sides, friends who are really
struggling, friends who are being careful and friends with no issues . I’ve just come back from a long haul holiday and 350 + on the aircraft , airports rammed with people . Locally the M & S Foodhall is rammed , no sign of any COL crisis there nor Waitrose . I really believe it depends where you live . I’m in the SE and even Chichester the bastion of middle class living is starting to look rough , low class shops moving in , down n outs hanging around the market area . I think it’s a mixed picture .

daisychain01 · 25/11/2025 04:15

Doingtheboxerbeat · 25/11/2025 01:36

Whenever I notice massive queues , I see how many staff they have actually serving - it's usually a lot less than they need. Ask them and you'll find that they are massively short staffed and have been for years because they aren't hiring replacement staff .

Then you go back to that same store in your town centre months later and it's gone . Those statistics aren't made up op, even if we're personally doing ok.

I agree, staff numbers in supermarkets are dwindling, there are never enough tills being staffed for the volume of footfall. Organisations are increasingly relying on automation, technology, even AI rather than recruiting staff.

you need to look at statistics such as the employment numbers, how many people are in work versus unemployed. Some of those numbers are people unable to get jobs, because automation is replacing the mundane work they used to do. The reason an average call to your mobile phone company lasts over an hour including wait time is because there are fewer staff taking customer calls and more "have you checked our chatbot FAQ list on our website?" It all adds to the big picture.

its misleading to think that because shopping malls and town centres are busy that people are spending loads of money. They could be out for the day and spending in a coffee shop, not spending money in retail.

also it's coming up to Christmas, so people do tend to buy presents ...

Pippa12 · 25/11/2025 04:22

I really think there is a big age divide in this, I wonder how old you are? My parents and their partners are incredibly well off with excellent pensions and massive lump sums from the sale of their houses they bought many years ago for less than £50k. They all say they are better off now than when they were working (in fairly run of the mill jobs). Obviously those days are long gone. They can most certainly afford to shop in M&S and cannot understand why people are ‘skint’. Only yesterday my (very lovely!) step mother was telling me she had £1000’s more in her bank account than she realised! They were all very pleased to receive their winter fuel allowance??

OTOH people in their 40/50’s are struggling with huge interest hikes on houses they bought when interest rates were 1% that engulfs their wage that has not climbed in line with inflation. Pensions are not as lucrative as they were so extra money being ploughed into savings and additional pensions. Food bills for families… wowzers!!!

We are fortunate that we are ok, but have definitely changed our spending habits, eating out less, shopping in more budget friendly shops etc.

Dentists, haircuts and servicing the car? I mean it’s laughable that we are seeing these as luxuries!