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Will the cost of electricity and gas ever come back down again.

138 replies

1457bloom · 22/11/2025 14:52

Pre Covid, I wouldn’t think twice about putting the heating on, now it seems like a luxury.

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JoyintheMorning · 23/11/2025 14:49

National Grid is having to pay for the connections to all the new Renewables that are starting. That is Policy.
Oil prices are low, about $65 a barrel, it is kept at that price by Saudi and OPEC or it would be even cheaper. It is Policy not to use it. We could get oil and gas from North Sea. It is Policy not to use those sources.
They are decisions by this Labour Government.There are huge reserves of crude oil unused in friendly jurisdictions. Brazil made a huge discovery off shore very recently.

We could have had cheaper nuclear power stations but it was a policy of the previous government to go along with this system.
Growth, GROWTH, GROWTH, the pm said and then added to the costs of industry in several ways.

You cannot tax your way to Growth. We understand that. The Cabinet don't.

justasking111 · 23/11/2025 14:56

JoyintheMorning · 23/11/2025 14:49

National Grid is having to pay for the connections to all the new Renewables that are starting. That is Policy.
Oil prices are low, about $65 a barrel, it is kept at that price by Saudi and OPEC or it would be even cheaper. It is Policy not to use it. We could get oil and gas from North Sea. It is Policy not to use those sources.
They are decisions by this Labour Government.There are huge reserves of crude oil unused in friendly jurisdictions. Brazil made a huge discovery off shore very recently.

We could have had cheaper nuclear power stations but it was a policy of the previous government to go along with this system.
Growth, GROWTH, GROWTH, the pm said and then added to the costs of industry in several ways.

You cannot tax your way to Growth. We understand that. The Cabinet don't.

"Energy bills ‘to rise 20% over the next 5 years’" https://www.lovemoney.com/news/517299/energy-bills-rise-government-tax-policy

Xx

Energy bills ‘to rise 20% over the next 5 years’

https://www.lovemoney.com/news/517299/energy-bills-rise-government-tax-policy

mamagogo1 · 23/11/2025 15:00

It’s the cost of gas that’s the issue, unless that drops on the wholesale market we won’t see a drop in bills

Alexandra2001 · 23/11/2025 15:08

JoyintheMorning · 23/11/2025 14:49

National Grid is having to pay for the connections to all the new Renewables that are starting. That is Policy.
Oil prices are low, about $65 a barrel, it is kept at that price by Saudi and OPEC or it would be even cheaper. It is Policy not to use it. We could get oil and gas from North Sea. It is Policy not to use those sources.
They are decisions by this Labour Government.There are huge reserves of crude oil unused in friendly jurisdictions. Brazil made a huge discovery off shore very recently.

We could have had cheaper nuclear power stations but it was a policy of the previous government to go along with this system.
Growth, GROWTH, GROWTH, the pm said and then added to the costs of industry in several ways.

You cannot tax your way to Growth. We understand that. The Cabinet don't.

Sorry but all the renewables we have now were built or approved under the previous Govt.
What should they do? stop using them???

We don't have the gas power stations able to produce the power we need, so they would need to be built, as some have been.

We have also, just, started to plan for more Nuclear.

HumanBigFeer · 23/11/2025 15:24

My DD works in renewables and finds the net zero bashing sad as she genuinely wants to bring about the clean energy future of tomorrow

SerendipityJane · 23/11/2025 15:24

AlertGoldDeer · 23/11/2025 12:34

I ask again, where is this growth that net 0 is bringing?

3,000 jobs in Wales.

SerendipityJane · 23/11/2025 15:26

HumanBigFeer · 23/11/2025 13:59

Are renewables actually cheaper?

As with everything, done right, yes.

SerendipityJane · 23/11/2025 15:28

The alternative to net zero in the long run will be the climate catastrophe that could see the UK uninhabitable.

Now I won't be here for that, so don't really care too much. I'll leave it all to your grandkids to work out what to do. Maybe that'll stop them voting Labour ?

taxguru · 23/11/2025 15:29

NotDavidTennant · 23/11/2025 12:39

The reason "net zero" has pushed up prices is that it required us to close down or mothball all of our coal burning power plants. Some of that capacity was replaced by renewables but most was replaced by gas.

So we have replaced cheap coal with relatively expensive (since the Ukraine war) gas.

All with indecent haste too. Conspiracy theorists would say that there were "background" forces in action. Just like the way we ripped up a huge amount of our railway infrastructure in the 60s - again with indecent haste for no obvious/good reason as lots of it could have been left in place pending reviews and bringing back into use. Sometimes high level decisions make no sense.

taxguru · 23/11/2025 15:31

SerendipityJane · 23/11/2025 15:28

The alternative to net zero in the long run will be the climate catastrophe that could see the UK uninhabitable.

Now I won't be here for that, so don't really care too much. I'll leave it all to your grandkids to work out what to do. Maybe that'll stop them voting Labour ?

The UK sacrificing itself won't make a jot of difference until all the other countries take it seriously too, which many don't show any intention of doing. It's not as if by going net zero in the UK, we can insulate ourselves against climate change.

taxguru · 23/11/2025 15:31

SerendipityJane · 23/11/2025 15:24

3,000 jobs in Wales.

How many jobs were lost when we closed down the coal power stations, the coal mines, and the accompanying industries such as transport etc.

charliehungerford · 23/11/2025 15:37

KellySeveride · 22/11/2025 19:42

No…much like the price of petrol and diesel won’t go down.

The powers that be realised we haven’t revolted and refused to pay so they’ll keep the prices up!

Petrol prices are a complete con. I’m sure all the suppliers are in it together. We have three petrol stations in our town, same price in all three of them. There’s a petrol station on the A303 that sells its fuel for £1.26 a litre, it’s consistently at least 10p a litre cheaper than anywhere else. If they can do it why are we paying £1.37 at the local Esso and Sainsbury’s garages, and don’t even get me on the cost at service stations!

Mycatmyworld · 23/11/2025 15:43

Net zero garbage, what happens when if we get there ?

SerendipityJane · 23/11/2025 15:48

taxguru · 23/11/2025 15:31

How many jobs were lost when we closed down the coal power stations, the coal mines, and the accompanying industries such as transport etc.

The UK still has 300 years of coal under it.

You feel free to get it out and flog it to the world and see what happens.

HumanBigFeer · 23/11/2025 15:51

I mean there will always be creative destruction. As new industries (the future) come along, the past dies off. We just needed to have supported and retrained the coal workers.

Yope · 23/11/2025 15:52

1457bloom · 22/11/2025 15:54

I read somewhere that we have the most expensive energy in Europe and way more than in the US.

That's correct.
And no, prices of fuel will never ever go down.
The UK is becoming quite a difficult place to live now.
Kids are going through a broken education system whilst GCSE exams are harder. I mean does anyone get the irony? Our kids are receiving a poorer education through secondary school, worse now than ever before in modern times, and then after 5 years of a shit education they are made to sit exams that are much harder now than they were years ago when their education was better. If they do manage to pass exams and get to university, they are now saddled with tens of thousands of pounds of debt from the tremendous costs incurred to study for a degree these days. I mean how did that even happen? How did we go from free higher education to forcing kids to take on high levels of debt for their education? Then they graduate and struggle to find employment. No longer is a degree an automatic entry in to a good job. They face an unobtainable housing market for first time buyers. They can't save for a deposit whilst renting because rents are so sky high there's no money left over to save. And if they do get lucky enough to have their own home, rented or bought, the cost of heating those homes is crippling. Along with the crippling cost of buying healthy food to eat.
And meanwhile the population just complies. Goes along with all this. Doesn't do anything to object. Because most of us are sleepwalking through life trying to block out the stresses and strains of modern life, and trying to earn enough money to pay for a half decent standard of living.
I am 49.
I felt so hopeful, optimistic and bright about my future when I left uni at 21. I'm now drained and exhausted trying to make ends meet due to the ever spiralling cost of living in our country that's cold 7 months of the year, despite being an experienced professional in a senior position at work.
If I was 21 now, I'd feel bleak about my future.
And we wonder why there's a poor mental health epidemic amongst our young people.
I've gone off topic, I realise. But basically, no, the gas and electric companies are not going to reduce their charges no matter what plans the government put in place, and nor are the supermarkets or the companies who sell us petrol.
It's worse than depressing.

tanstaafl · 23/11/2025 16:06

I’m sure I’d read that in order to have private companies interested in building nuclear power stations the government promises them a guaranteed £/kWh when they’re finally generating and that was around 50p.

EasternStandard · 23/11/2025 16:09

SerendipityJane · 23/11/2025 15:28

The alternative to net zero in the long run will be the climate catastrophe that could see the UK uninhabitable.

Now I won't be here for that, so don't really care too much. I'll leave it all to your grandkids to work out what to do. Maybe that'll stop them voting Labour ?

How much does the UK going to net zero shift that?

SerendipityJane · 23/11/2025 16:11

EasternStandard · 23/11/2025 16:09

How much does the UK going to net zero shift that?

You are asking the wrong question.

The real question is how does the world not achieving that shift it ?

jeremyclarksonsthirdnipple · 23/11/2025 16:11

I truly believe No this is our lot sadly

EasternStandard · 23/11/2025 16:15

SerendipityJane · 23/11/2025 16:11

You are asking the wrong question.

The real question is how does the world not achieving that shift it ?

You what now?

Plus it really is the question I’d like to know the answer to.

What is the overall change if the U.K. do net zero and others do not.

hippospot · 23/11/2025 16:21

Renewables are used more and more, and they cost less, but the price of electricity is set by the gas giants. Yes we have the highest energy prices in Europe but it's NOT due to the cost of clean energy.

Reform and the Tories would love us to believe that net zero is too expensive. It's a lie.

Greenpeace is campaigning on this issue right now:

https://action.greenpeace.org.uk/stand-up-to-gas-companies?source=LG&subsource=ECCLPLPELG06HC&utm_source=offline&utm_medium=Local+Group&utm_campaign=Gas+Rip-Off+Petition+[PMA]++PE

Lower our energy bills!

Gas companies are raking in high profits while our household bills go up. I've had enough, haven't you? Let's make the UK Government reign in greedy gas for good.

https://action.greenpeace.org.uk/stand-up-to-gas-companies?source=LG&subsource=ECCLPLPELG06HC&utm_source=offline&utm_medium=Local+Group&utm_campaign=Gas+Rip-Off+Petition+[PMA]++PE

SumUp · 23/11/2025 16:24

HumanBigFeer · 23/11/2025 12:12

If we reached net zero, how will that impact global emissions? Nada?

Didn't the Exxon plant shut down due to net zero?

People say manufacturing is stuffed due to the high energy prices

Many countries look to the UK / Europe for their leadership, and net zero is a positive economic opportunity, with the potential to deliver large amounts of good quality jobs. We were leading in innovation but then under Cameron’s leadership, the government cut renewables subsidies. This led to redundancies in the solar sector in particular.

The conservatives were very much in bed with the oil and gas industry at the time. Had they continued to support renewables, as a nation today, our energy network would be more resilient and our personal bills would be lower. We’d be less reliant on the actions of foreign governments.

Manufacturing isn’t helped by high energy prices, but if businesses can afford to invest in renewables, they can go a long way towards offsetting the costs.

The main constraint is our poorly maintained and no longer fit for purpose energy grid. If one was to set up a new factory running on mains power, the grid typically requires upgrading in order to make sufficient supply possible, usually at the business’s own expense. And UK businesses are often not be able to export excess energy generated by the factory and make additional income by selling it on to another user.

So if there’s a choice between setting up in the UK vs somewhere with better infrastructure, businesses have gone elsewhere. There is this perception that businesses are responsive to only tax, but it isn’t true. Most businesses, and especially light / heavy industry, need solid infrastructure. Power, water, broadband, transport links. Successive governments in the UK have neglected to maintain / invest and instead have privatised. Although there’s a lot I don’t like about the current Labour government, their attention to our national energy supply is a positive thing.

HumanBigFeer · 23/11/2025 16:25

SumUp · 23/11/2025 16:24

Many countries look to the UK / Europe for their leadership, and net zero is a positive economic opportunity, with the potential to deliver large amounts of good quality jobs. We were leading in innovation but then under Cameron’s leadership, the government cut renewables subsidies. This led to redundancies in the solar sector in particular.

The conservatives were very much in bed with the oil and gas industry at the time. Had they continued to support renewables, as a nation today, our energy network would be more resilient and our personal bills would be lower. We’d be less reliant on the actions of foreign governments.

Manufacturing isn’t helped by high energy prices, but if businesses can afford to invest in renewables, they can go a long way towards offsetting the costs.

The main constraint is our poorly maintained and no longer fit for purpose energy grid. If one was to set up a new factory running on mains power, the grid typically requires upgrading in order to make sufficient supply possible, usually at the business’s own expense. And UK businesses are often not be able to export excess energy generated by the factory and make additional income by selling it on to another user.

So if there’s a choice between setting up in the UK vs somewhere with better infrastructure, businesses have gone elsewhere. There is this perception that businesses are responsive to only tax, but it isn’t true. Most businesses, and especially light / heavy industry, need solid infrastructure. Power, water, broadband, transport links. Successive governments in the UK have neglected to maintain / invest and instead have privatised. Although there’s a lot I don’t like about the current Labour government, their attention to our national energy supply is a positive thing.

Thank you for correcting me

CatHairEveryWhereNow · 23/11/2025 16:25

The idea is long term renewables will be much cheaper - but that's been a promise for a long time now.

It's now likely it will at earliest be 2030 - we may see some price decrease and 2035 before bill are cheaper - though there is nothing guaranteeing any of that and it may well end up always being 10 years away from getting cheaper.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crkep1vx3mroIf the UK has more renewable energy, why aren't bills coming down?

It is starting to be a real concern now affording to heat the house - plus other annoyances - washing machine cycles more efficient than ever but take three hours when ideally have to be in house. It remind me of the early 2000 energy efficient light bulbs that were supposed to last 15-20 years and never did and took so much longer to get any decent light from them.

I like green tech - I want to reduce emission - but constant depay at using heating we have - worrying our eldery relatives may cut back on their heating affecting their health - gets very annoying.

Wind turbines and electricity pylons are seen against a blue sky. The BBC Verify logo is in the top left hand corner.

Why are energy bills going up, if there is more green power?

The government has pledged to reduce energy bills by using more renewables, but bills are currently rising.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crkep1vx3mro

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