That Boris Johnson and Matt Hancock should be prosecuted for the avoidable Covid deaths

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The part 2 report of the Covid inquiry finds that at least 20,000 deaths were avoidable, had restrictions come in a week earlier.

Various other findings confirming the failures of Mr Johnson and Mr Hancock.

I think they should face criminal charges, such as corporate manslaughter given government is an employer. AIBU

We have sunk MILLIONS into this enquiry which is sorely needed elsewhere to end up with fuck all practical outcomes and a circle jerk of finger pointing and political posturing of people who all pretend to know better - complete and utter bullshit.

As I said, what a massive fucking waste of time and taxpayer’s money this whole performance has been.

Ik you did but that’s a huge undertaking given the amount arriving daily. If you consider how strict quarantine had to be in Aus and NZ it’d give you some idea of how tough it was. No lorries daily though.

Maybe follow the lead of many other countries? The writing was SO very obviously on the wall.

It was very basic common sense to my mind.

The pair of them won’t give a fuck, least of all that arrogant oaf Johnson.

Because there is no chance of proving a corporate manslaughter case against them (or, I’d imagine, even meeting the test under these circumstances) i think we have to accept that the legal system doesn’t solve all the bad things people do.

is there another way society can punish them? Elite white men? I doubt it. Maybe society is the problem

Aye when he wasnt having a piss up with his mates in Durham 😉

I mean we could have avoided lockdown? Really is that person certain. Do we need an enquiry on that, totally agree with you.

Anyone who thinks we could've closed the borders also needs to explain what they'd have done with our land border as well. It's amazing how many people think the UK is an island.

Absolutely. That was so cruel.

I agree xx

"But Keir's beer"

Here we go. How predictable. 🙄

I'm no fan of Starmer but ironically I think he might have handled this better than Boris (as would almost anyone).

Boris was absolutely the worst possible person to be in charge of the country at a time of crisis. An unserious buffoon with no experience of doing a proper job, a lifetime of being surrounded by people blowing smoke up his arse, his only real skill was that he was a moderately good writer with a talent for self-publicity and spouting random classical quotes.

His complete failure to read the public mood, his inability to focus on the job in hand, the lack of attention to detail and meaningful forward planning and a ridiculous boosterism combined to expose him as the charlatan that he is.

I don't think anyone should be prosecuted for this as it would achieve nothing except to waste more taxpayers' money. I think Boris and his cronies got their just desserts, which are that their reputations have been fatally damaged.

Labour are equally guilty of the damage caused by lockdowns. They failed to voice a single bloody word of opposition. They kept their mouths shut while schools were closed for months, they are complicit in children having to be masked in schools, and they only spoke to complain that lockdowns ever ended; they were opposing ending restrictions every step of the way. I will not forget this, especially where digital ID is concerned.

The report has nothing to do with hindsight. The government had relevant information available to them to enable them to have made the decision to lockdown earlier. They had experts and advisors available to them who they chose to ignore. They had the option of collaborative working with devolved parties and chose to exclude them. They had the whole cabinet at their disposal and instead sidelined anyone who didn't agree with them. Johnson's government was described as "toxic and chaotic" and he was found to have encouraged this environment in order to serve his own interests. They did not operate with open integrity, they deliberately withheld key information, and they exploited the emergency for political capital. They failed to consider the impact of decisions on affected groups and failed to consider contingency planning. Any evidence which did not fit their agenda was purposely ignored.

None of that is impacted by hindsight and instead shows a culture of gross incompetence fueled by self-serving egomaniacs.

Think how many lives would have been saved if we had suspended international travel far sooner? Plenty called for it and were derided as "racist". If the WHO hadn't dragged their feet in declaring it a pandemic.

This is the thing though, a pandemic was bound to happen eventually, and they chose to hold positions responsible for being ready for that.

I was the leader of a small business, and although I hadn't prepared for a pandemic, I had prepared for adversity. I did what was needed and appropriate for the role I chose, and if prepared to be responsible for the people I was responsible for.

You want to be PM? Take the accountability.

One of my close relations was responsible for schools and education in a UK city.

He told us that a lockdown was coming. He was expecting it and was ready to go a week earlier.

I think starmer would’ve project managed the shit out of Covid tbh. I think it’s exactly the sort of thing he’s suited to.

Oh definitely. And he'd have not only been at every Cobra meeting but loved it. If anything it probably would've better fitted his skillset than governing since July 2024 has.

It's like old times...

Eta: sorry that was meant to quote a pp who was wheeling out one if the good old covid conspiracy theories.

Agree. The tragedy of Starmer is that he’s governing at the wrong time. The thing he lacks is the thing Boris has in spades. But it was no use to us at a time of national crisis.

This. What a fucking legacy.

the report was a one sided rather expected outcome. Total
waste of public money which have a pre planned outcome

should have followed Sweden

And starmer and Labour would gave been worse ( and we’d probably still be in lockdown……)

This.

The op seems to be missing the bit where the woman heading it said all 4 nations. Also, they followed scientific advice they didn't just make it up as they went along.

Or yes we could lock BJ, Nicola and the Welsh and NI first ministers up for doing what every other country did 🙄.

The average annual flu deaths are 13k and that is without SD and all the measures in place so 23k doesn't seem that dramatic in comparison really <sympathies to anyone who lost someone obviously>