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The 2 child benefit cap lift will be cancelled out by the weekly benefit cap

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Pinkbowls · 12/11/2025 13:24

I keep seeing all this talk about families with 6+ kids “racking it in” if the two-child benefit cap is lifted, and honestly, it’s hogwash. Here’s the reality:

If the Labour government does lift the two-child cap, it will mainly help low-income working families and families who are claiming disability benefits. These households aren’t subject to the cap, so the poorest families and those who genuinely need extra support for a third or fourth child are the ones who will benefit.

For a single adult with two children outside London, the monthly benefit cap is around £1,832 (~£423 per week). In London, it’s higher, about £2,108 per month (~£486 per week).

Now let’s break it down roughly for someone renting privately:

  • Assume the standard allowance + personal allowance for the adult + child elements (for 2 kids) = around £1,200–£1,300/month.
  • Private rent in many parts of the UK, and especially in London, can easily eat £800–£1,200/month.
  • Add council tax support (which helps a bit, but only partially) and you can see that most of the cap is already taken up.

So in reality, lifting the two-child cap doesn’t suddenly create a pile of extra cash. For families on benefits but below the cap, the extra child element for a third or fourth child may only leave a modest amount after rent and council tax.

The idea that parents with 6+ children will suddenly be sitting on a fortune is completely overblown. The system is designed so that the support goes to those who genuinely need it, not to families already comfortably above the threshold.

The main winners of this policy will be:

  • Low-income working families who are earning enough to be under the cap and can actually receive the child element for additional children.
  • Families claiming disability benefits, who aren’t subject to the cap at all.

It’s important to separate myths from reality: this is about helping the most vulnerable and supporting working families, not about rewarding large families for being on benefits.

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Issueswiththetap · 12/11/2025 17:26

Rescuedogblues · 12/11/2025 17:23

Im on benefits. Uncapped. These threads make me feel like shit.

Please don’t feel that way. The nasty posts reflect the poster not you. You must have extremely difficult circumstances and thats not your fault Flowers

Chafing · 12/11/2025 17:26

Also...not 4 million.

The 2 child benefit cap lift will be cancelled out by the weekly benefit cap
Goldwren1923 · 12/11/2025 17:27

Asctreow · 12/11/2025 17:04

This is so disgusting an attitude, it's horrifying to read. Wanting disabled people, full time carers, elderly people to be forced to live on a basic, subsistence income. Why wouldn't you want to support them and allow them to enjoy life?

We can’t afford for them to have enough benefits to enjoy life.
benefits are SAFETY NET, they are not meant to give you same level of comfort as working. They should be basic subsistence.
anything extra should be from work or charity

Ticklyoctopus · 12/11/2025 17:27

Rescuedogblues · 12/11/2025 17:23

Im on benefits. Uncapped. These threads make me feel like shit.

I’m sorry you feel that way but we will continue to discuss it. It is a completely valid debate to be having, critical even.

K0OLA1D · 12/11/2025 17:28

Goldwren1923 · 12/11/2025 17:27

We can’t afford for them to have enough benefits to enjoy life.
benefits are SAFETY NET, they are not meant to give you same level of comfort as working. They should be basic subsistence.
anything extra should be from work or charity

They are NOT a safety net for disabled people ffs.

We dont have a fucking choice

Issueswiththetap · 12/11/2025 17:28

Chafing · 12/11/2025 17:25

Well I have a NEET living at home. LWCRA was difficult to get and only accessed on mandatory reconsideration and after a meeting with a doctor. My adult child gets no benefits now apart from pip (didn't spend any money due to their disability and so reached maximum "savings" within 18 months) and, surprise surprise, wasn't back at college or in a job in a week because their difficulties don't enable that. If they took away pip as well, guess what, they still wouldn't be able to work. They did a supported internship but the provider was unable to find a workplace that could adapt sufficiently to meet their needs.

You don't get LWCRA "for anxiety". Here are the criteria. You have to get 15 points in any 1 area.

Limited capability for work and work related activity element of Universal Credit | Advice now share.google/MidHr0SmjFGv21BHH

Not that anyone on this thread will be swayed by whatever I write...

Exactly.

There are posters trying to make out that getting PIP/DLA/LCWRA is as easy as downloading an app. It’s really difficult to meet the criteria for these disability benefits.

ElderlyCat · 12/11/2025 17:29

@Rescuedogblues same. We have disabled DC and I don’t work to care for them. My doing so means we get benefits but it also saves the government an absolute fucking fortune in care costs if I didn’t. Nobody thinks about that aspect though. If there was any child care that would accept them maybe I could work. If there were any employers flexible enough maybe I could work. Every single one of us is one accident or illness away from needing benefits.

Ticklyoctopus · 12/11/2025 17:29

Issueswiththetap · 12/11/2025 17:28

Exactly.

There are posters trying to make out that getting PIP/DLA/LCWRA is as easy as downloading an app. It’s really difficult to meet the criteria for these disability benefits.

It’s not ‘as easy as downloading an app’ but numerically it cannot be hard to get given over 2 million people have been successful.

Goldwren1923 · 12/11/2025 17:30

Youdontseehow · 12/11/2025 17:21

Where is your evidence that two DC is the optimal amount?

we can look forward to a future where there are not enough workers to provide for our ever expanding population.

2 DV is optimal because it replaces two adults with 2 kids so maintains working population levels

Hyasinth · 12/11/2025 17:30

PractisingMyTelekenipsis · 12/11/2025 17:16

They won't. I know NEETS who are living at home. Mum lost all child related benefits when child left school. The amount the now adult child gets in UC is less than mum got anyway. Now mum is struggling even more, even if DC pays rent. But the alternative is kicking the child out, which most people won't do. So poverty continues. I dont know what the solution is though.

And LCWRA seems to be random. I didnt leave my house for 2 years as I had severe agoraphobia. I was turned down for LCWRA. Yet I know people who get it for anxiety who are out and about everyday.

According to entitled.com an unemployed 18 year old living rent free with family in my area should get around £316 per month.

IME many also manage to claim carer’s allowance for another family member who is also on benefits. That brings the monthly amount up to over £500.

No incentive at all to go out and get an entry level job which involves getting up and out of the door every morning. And once that habit is lost, it is really difficult to regain it…and the MH issues become real.

Goldwren1923 · 12/11/2025 17:31

K0OLA1D · 12/11/2025 17:28

They are NOT a safety net for disabled people ffs.

We dont have a fucking choice

There are different disabilities and different categories of disabled people. SOME have a choice.

and also yes they are. They allow to live, they are not meant to give the same lifestyle as a working non disabled person.

the alternative will be bankrupt state with no benefits at all for disabled people - I’ve lived through bankruptcy and collapse of all social support, trust me, you don’t want that and in that situation you would be grateful for basic subsidence

ChuckleClass · 12/11/2025 17:32

People will always find a loophole in every new government policy.

When the government changed the rule from paying those on LCW to not paying, more people switched to needing LCWRA so they can receive payment.

When the government capped benefits, except for those on disability, more people applied for disability than likely would have otherwise.

When the government implemented the two-child limit, some people still chose to have additional children but found other ways to compensate by claiming severe disabilities for one or more of those children.

There will always be a way for the greedy to exploit the system for more money, no matter what.

I do believe that out of those 4 million, atleast half genuinely cannot meet the expectations placed on them to work due to a mental illness/disability of some sort (even if undiagnosed). Not everyone is suited for the way society operates.

Bootsies · 12/11/2025 17:33

I thought the cap does not apply of at least one parent does have a job. In the absence of disability for the adult or any child (i.e. no caring responsibilities as such other than parenting), what reason is there not to work?

K0OLA1D · 12/11/2025 17:33

Goldwren1923 · 12/11/2025 17:31

There are different disabilities and different categories of disabled people. SOME have a choice.

and also yes they are. They allow to live, they are not meant to give the same lifestyle as a working non disabled person.

the alternative will be bankrupt state with no benefits at all for disabled people - I’ve lived through bankruptcy and collapse of all social support, trust me, you don’t want that and in that situation you would be grateful for basic subsidence

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I have been deemed disabled enough for PIP. Even though I work. But according to, I believe you(?) I shouldn't be living a comfortable life, just one with my basics met.

Ticklyoctopus · 12/11/2025 17:34

Goldwren1923 · 12/11/2025 17:31

There are different disabilities and different categories of disabled people. SOME have a choice.

and also yes they are. They allow to live, they are not meant to give the same lifestyle as a working non disabled person.

the alternative will be bankrupt state with no benefits at all for disabled people - I’ve lived through bankruptcy and collapse of all social support, trust me, you don’t want that and in that situation you would be grateful for basic subsidence

Edited

I mean - it’s always, always autism and ADHD. Always. To the extent I’m genuinely surprised when a poster’s child has SEN and it isn’t ASD, ADHD or both. I assumed an OP’s child was ASD the other day, as did many others, and she actually had to correct us that he has another condition - such is its prevalence.

How many people were claiming for these conditions in the 90s/2000s? Very very very few. I’m not saying that flippantly, it seems to have come almost out of the blue over the last 5-10 years.

SouthLondonMum22 · 12/11/2025 17:35

Hyasinth · 12/11/2025 17:30

According to entitled.com an unemployed 18 year old living rent free with family in my area should get around £316 per month.

IME many also manage to claim carer’s allowance for another family member who is also on benefits. That brings the monthly amount up to over £500.

No incentive at all to go out and get an entry level job which involves getting up and out of the door every morning. And once that habit is lost, it is really difficult to regain it…and the MH issues become real.

carers allowance is taken pound for pound from UC payments. No one is getting CA's on top of UC.

GetOverTheEgo · 12/11/2025 17:35

Ablondiebutagoody · 12/11/2025 14:16

2 grand per month tax free for doing fuck all?! No wonder my taxes are going up. Can't have those guys needing to work for a living can we.

this

PractisingMyTelekenipsis · 12/11/2025 17:36

Hyasinth · 12/11/2025 17:30

According to entitled.com an unemployed 18 year old living rent free with family in my area should get around £316 per month.

IME many also manage to claim carer’s allowance for another family member who is also on benefits. That brings the monthly amount up to over £500.

No incentive at all to go out and get an entry level job which involves getting up and out of the door every morning. And once that habit is lost, it is really difficult to regain it…and the MH issues become real.

Im sure thats true in some cases. I dont know any NEETs who are also carers. My son tried to find a job without claiming UC, then it just became impossible for us to sustain us. So he claimed. He looked for, and got, a job as he didn't think UC was enough. But then maybe I've just taught him to want more than just benefits. Maybe I'm just lucky. Who knows.

Canonlythinkofthisone · 12/11/2025 17:36

K0OLA1D · 12/11/2025 16:43

Not all benefits. I am on PIP and work full-time. My disability isnt going anywhere

You're right, apologies. I do mean general UC, not pip or DLA.

PeanutChunky · 12/11/2025 17:37

Youdontseehow · 12/11/2025 16:41

maybe, but you only need to read on here to realise many, many women are left in the lurch with their DC when their partners take off.

Add in people who become ill, injured or widowed and I reckon there’s a significant amount of people having DC they thought they could afford then their circumstances changed.

Remember also we have a falling birth rate coupled with an aging population so we actually need people to be having DC.

Remember also we have a falling birth rate coupled with an aging population so we actually need people to be having DC.

My no doubt unpopular view, is that the kids of someone on benefits who has lots of children, are not all going to grow up to be hard-working taxpayers who solve the problems of an ageing population. It would be great if that was the case but I really don’t see it happening.

Goldwren1923 · 12/11/2025 17:38

K0OLA1D · 12/11/2025 17:33

I have been deemed disabled enough for PIP. Even though I work. But according to, I believe you(?) I shouldn't be living a comfortable life, just one with my basics met.

If you can work then you - like everyone else - should be living a life commensurate with your income. If it allows you to live a comfortable life then you live a comfortable life. If not then basic life. Do you think you are better than another non disabled person who is not entitled to PIP and works? Why are you more entitled to comfortable life than than another person?

i have a lot of issues with PIP being not means tested and awarded to a lot of people on very vague criteria like ADHD (which may or may not apply to
you)

Simonjt · 12/11/2025 17:38

TwinkleTwinkleLittleBatgirl · 12/11/2025 13:26

For a single adult with two children outside London, the monthly benefit cap is around £1,832 (~£423 per week). In London, it’s higher, about £2,108 per month (~£486 per week).
you say that like it’s a bad amount of money to receive with out having to take on the responsibility and stress of work and paying tax!

Odd to claim that people who work and claim universal credit aren’t workers or tax payers.

Goldwren1923 · 12/11/2025 17:40

Ticklyoctopus · 12/11/2025 17:34

I mean - it’s always, always autism and ADHD. Always. To the extent I’m genuinely surprised when a poster’s child has SEN and it isn’t ASD, ADHD or both. I assumed an OP’s child was ASD the other day, as did many others, and she actually had to correct us that he has another condition - such is its prevalence.

How many people were claiming for these conditions in the 90s/2000s? Very very very few. I’m not saying that flippantly, it seems to have come almost out of the blue over the last 5-10 years.

I had the stats somewhere, I think in the last 5 years since Covid the numbers skyrocketed. It just can’t be real OR sustainable

Ticklyoctopus · 12/11/2025 17:42

Goldwren1923 · 12/11/2025 17:40

I had the stats somewhere, I think in the last 5 years since Covid the numbers skyrocketed. It just can’t be real OR sustainable

I know several people with children with very profound autism (not speaking at 4/5, no understanding of anything) and that’s definitely real and in my opinion increasing. But not too sure about the other cases.

UserFront242 · 12/11/2025 17:42

Canonlythinkofthisone · 12/11/2025 17:36

You're right, apologies. I do mean general UC, not pip or DLA.

UC for someone with disabilities/illness is just over £800pm. That is less than the state pension.
They are not better off than someone working.

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