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The 2 child benefit cap lift will be cancelled out by the weekly benefit cap

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Pinkbowls · 12/11/2025 13:24

I keep seeing all this talk about families with 6+ kids “racking it in” if the two-child benefit cap is lifted, and honestly, it’s hogwash. Here’s the reality:

If the Labour government does lift the two-child cap, it will mainly help low-income working families and families who are claiming disability benefits. These households aren’t subject to the cap, so the poorest families and those who genuinely need extra support for a third or fourth child are the ones who will benefit.

For a single adult with two children outside London, the monthly benefit cap is around £1,832 (~£423 per week). In London, it’s higher, about £2,108 per month (~£486 per week).

Now let’s break it down roughly for someone renting privately:

  • Assume the standard allowance + personal allowance for the adult + child elements (for 2 kids) = around £1,200–£1,300/month.
  • Private rent in many parts of the UK, and especially in London, can easily eat £800–£1,200/month.
  • Add council tax support (which helps a bit, but only partially) and you can see that most of the cap is already taken up.

So in reality, lifting the two-child cap doesn’t suddenly create a pile of extra cash. For families on benefits but below the cap, the extra child element for a third or fourth child may only leave a modest amount after rent and council tax.

The idea that parents with 6+ children will suddenly be sitting on a fortune is completely overblown. The system is designed so that the support goes to those who genuinely need it, not to families already comfortably above the threshold.

The main winners of this policy will be:

  • Low-income working families who are earning enough to be under the cap and can actually receive the child element for additional children.
  • Families claiming disability benefits, who aren’t subject to the cap at all.

It’s important to separate myths from reality: this is about helping the most vulnerable and supporting working families, not about rewarding large families for being on benefits.

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AlexisP90 · 12/11/2025 18:49

MidnightPatrol · 12/11/2025 14:04

An average salary of £35k after tax, auto-enrolment and student loan is £2,228 a month.

Can confirm- DP earns £35k a year and takes home about £2.2k.

Ive never bothered claiming child benefit because of my salary we would have to pay tax on it and it just wasnt worth it.

I firmly believe the cap should remain sorry. I would LOVE to have more children. Always wanted 3. Have 1, are trying for 2 but me and DP are getting on and its difficult.

We couldnt afford another child until now hence us not having one earlier. I honestly dont think its fair for people to keep having children if they clearly cannot provide for them.

I know they are hardly rolling in cash but still... im sorry.. I disagree OP.

Illbethereinaminute · 12/11/2025 18:50

Dorisbonson · 12/11/2025 16:51

So people on benefits get more free child care, free accomodation and have larger families than those that work who dont get free childcare (or get lower amounts of free child care) and have to balance working with bringing up kids.

Its a crazy system where its easier for those on benefits to have larger families than those who work.

I fundamentally disagree with a country that penalises working parents. Its totally wrong.

On average children will do what their parents did, throughout history for many reasons. Its a shame but unfortunately those children of people on benefits are statistically more likely to be on benefits themselves.

If you are on benefits you should be on birth control because if you cant pay for your own kids you shouldnt expect us to. You should be responsible. Those on benefits who want kids can get a job.

If my husband walked out tomorrow I would have to claim benefits to support me and my 2 children even though I have a job although it is part time but even if I did 40 hours a week I would still be entitled to some sort of benefit.

I'm on minimum wage because I'm in a job which suits our family. I've worked how much I would bring in if I earned 30K in a full time job and it's less than I would be bringing in if I worked 28 hours in my current job due to the extra costs of childcare and commuting. Life would be more hectic, kids would be in childcare from 7.30-6 so it really doesn't seem worth it when it's not a career job that will see me earning 60K+ in the future which will ensure I'm no longer reliant on benefits.

It's no surprise, I chose to have 2 children with my husband even though I couldn't afford to support them on my own if it all went tits up.

However, that means nobody on less than maybe 40-50K? should never have children with their partner's because they can't pay for their children alone.

Simonjt · 12/11/2025 18:50

Ticklyoctopus · 12/11/2025 18:48

I remember somebody on here saying their DLA went to their son’s ISA. Utter madness. Then the usual rush to defend it by other posters (or try to)

DLA isn’t means tested, so why do you have an issue with it being put in an ISA?

K0OLA1D · 12/11/2025 18:50

Leavesfalling · 12/11/2025 18:47

Well your tone makes you sound highly bitter. But I'm glad that you aren't.

I certainly dont begrudge someone who is genuinely disabled and unable to work at all a safety net. But that's all it should be. Charities used to do the job that benefits do now.

And the two child benefit cap should be retained. To go back to the subject of the thread. We can't afford it to be lifted.

Do charities get their magic money trees soon too then? Because the money needs to come from somewhere.

ElderlyCat · 12/11/2025 18:51

Ticklyoctopus · 12/11/2025 18:45

I don’t want benefits to be stopped. Where has anyone said this? Can you repost any reply that has said there should be no benefits for anyone at all?

One person on here has suggested:

Would it be easier for you if there were goodresidential facilities which provided 24/7 care ? (Genuine question)

to a parent of a disabled child. We are pointing out this would cost the tax payer far more.

24kPalamino · 12/11/2025 18:51

Simonjt · 12/11/2025 18:49

They’re not your tax pounds, they belong to the government, for every £250 a person has over £6,000 your universal credit is reduced by a certain amount, it isn’t just the claimants savings, if they have children their accounts are included.

All money comes from the taxpayer. The government has nothing.

PropertyD · 12/11/2025 18:52

Fed up of people who have children that they cannot afford and play the system.

Leavesfalling · 12/11/2025 18:53

K0OLA1D · 12/11/2025 18:50

Do charities get their magic money trees soon too then? Because the money needs to come from somewhere.

People would have the choice to contribute to other people's welfare.m. And the UK is a generous country when it comes to charities. And the good thing is there are specific charities for specific situations.

TwoTuesday · 12/11/2025 18:53

If there is genuinely not enough money around to continue to pay benefits without working people taking home less and less of their wages as time goes on, then benefits will have to be frozen or reduced. If the money isn't there, or has been spent already, people can't have it.
It's not a value judgment on lifestyles, or a desirable prospect either, it's just maths. Whether this is truly the economic situation is another matter but it's not reasonable to expect those who work to have a poorer life than those who don't.

feellikeanalien · 12/11/2025 18:55

24kPalamino · 12/11/2025 18:44

You’re telling me that there are people getting my tax pounds, who have £16,000 IN THEIR BANK ACCOUNTS!
That is absolutely taking the piss.

If you have savings up to £16000 you can claim UC. If you have more than £6000 UC will deduct £4.35 per £250 from your UC.

Ticklyoctopus · 12/11/2025 18:55

Simonjt · 12/11/2025 18:50

DLA isn’t means tested, so why do you have an issue with it being put in an ISA?

Because it shows the ‘cost of disability’ (which is what the money is there for) does not exist in this case. It’s a massive con.

NotEnoughKnittingTime · 12/11/2025 18:57

24kPalamino · 12/11/2025 18:44

You’re telling me that there are people getting my tax pounds, who have £16,000 IN THEIR BANK ACCOUNTS!
That is absolutely taking the piss.

Do you think benefit claimants should have no savings?

crossedlines · 12/11/2025 18:57

Nearly £2000 per month (more if you live in London) with no work responsibilities, no commute, no KPIs to meet, no appraisals, no work politics, no physical demands of manual work or mental pressure of work…. And almost 40 hours a week (probably more when you factor in commuting) more to spend as you please rather than having your time dictated… Christ, no wonder this country’s in the shit. Makes you wonder why anyone bothers working

Chafing · 12/11/2025 18:57

"You’re telling me that there are people getting my tax pounds, who have £16,000 IN THEIR BANK ACCOUNTS! That is absolutely taking the piss."

No there aren't, because if you have 16k in your bank account you cannot claim any UC.

24kPalamino · 12/11/2025 18:58

feellikeanalien · 12/11/2025 18:55

If you have savings up to £16000 you can claim UC. If you have more than £6000 UC will deduct £4.35 per £250 from your UC.

I’m sorry, if you have £16000 to tide you over, why’d you need my money? I have £170000 debt including my mortgage. Can I keep an extra £4.35 per £250 of my debt? I really could do with it actually!

This country is mad.

24kPalamino · 12/11/2025 18:58

NotEnoughKnittingTime · 12/11/2025 18:57

Do you think benefit claimants should have no savings?

Yes.

Simonjt · 12/11/2025 18:58

Ticklyoctopus · 12/11/2025 18:55

Because it shows the ‘cost of disability’ (which is what the money is there for) does not exist in this case. It’s a massive con.

No, it really doesn’t. When my husband was on DLA (before adults had PIP), his DLA wwnt straight into savings. He was paying over £100 a week on physio therapy, he then needed to pay to have all clothing altered, a cleaner for the household tasks he couldn’t do, additional heating as he is more vulnerable to the cold. I also know parents living on an absolute shoe string so they can save as much as possible for their disabled child, to go towards their childs care when they have died.

NotEnoughKnittingTime · 12/11/2025 18:59

24kPalamino · 12/11/2025 18:58

I’m sorry, if you have £16000 to tide you over, why’d you need my money? I have £170000 debt including my mortgage. Can I keep an extra £4.35 per £250 of my debt? I really could do with it actually!

This country is mad.

How much do you earn? It isn't your money.

UserFront242 · 12/11/2025 18:59

24kPalamino · 12/11/2025 18:58

Yes.

So what happens if they have some money left over after all the essentials are paid for. Do you think they should pay it back?

24kPalamino · 12/11/2025 19:00

UserFront242 · 12/11/2025 18:59

So what happens if they have some money left over after all the essentials are paid for. Do you think they should pay it back?

That says they’re getting too much money to me.

NotEnoughKnittingTime · 12/11/2025 19:01

24kPalamino · 12/11/2025 18:58

Yes.

And if they have a car expense? Luckily our MOT was cheap otherwise the UC would have to been used but if we have savings we wouldn't have that worry.

itsgettingweird · 12/11/2025 19:01

Lou7171 · 12/11/2025 17:56

If people put half as much energy into tackling the ever widening gap between the rich and the poor as they do benefits bashing, people might see their standard of living and wages improve. Instead they go after the poorest in society because it makes them feel better about themselves. Pathetic really.

Anyone reading this thread on universal credit, please ignore them. I once worked for a housing association and the majority of mums were trying their bloody hardest while the father of their children were nowhere to be seen. To a pp, no I don't think these women or their children should have just the basics in life. As a civilised (and wealthy!!) country, we should be trying our fucking hardest to give our children the best start in life. Absolutely disgraceful comments on this thread.

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UserFront242 · 12/11/2025 19:01

24kPalamino · 12/11/2025 19:00

That says they’re getting too much money to me.

No, it says that they are good at budgeting. And we all need savings. I need savings in case my fridge dies, or I need some new shoes.

TheignT · 12/11/2025 19:02

Overthemhills · 12/11/2025 15:35

@NotEnoughKnittingTime
Oh I’m DEFINITELY not a morally or any kind of superior being - I asked a question because I have experience of being on the reverend of benefits bashing on here but I genuinely do not know about UC.
and in fact out of curiosity I just did a hypothetical benefits calculation and there is no way anyone could be better off with two people (parents I mean) not working at all and one severely disabled child than I am or most other people for that matter.
Add another child on and it just makes the picture WORSE for the family, not better.
Again unless I’m mad - the UC without rent for that hypothetical family of 3 is £1400 a month.
That’s with “severe” disability.
Lower than that is £1000 .
Thats really not the story that the media will be telling I imagine.

I might be being dim but it all seems very complicated particularly if you've never claimed UC or whatever. Then you read different things and who do you believe?

I suppose I should do an online assessment with different scenarios to get a realistic picture. Maybe I need to motivate myself to do it but then I don't feel like I should be judging anyway so maybe I'm better off not knowing.

That probably was a waste of time.

24kPalamino · 12/11/2025 19:02

NotEnoughKnittingTime · 12/11/2025 19:01

And if they have a car expense? Luckily our MOT was cheap otherwise the UC would have to been used but if we have savings we wouldn't have that worry.

Do what I do when I have unexpected bills. Panic. Worry. Put it on a credit card.

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