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Fuck it - the government will look me

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Phonicshaskilledmeoff · 09/11/2025 09:05

I am becoming increasingly frustrated with the way our country is run. I love my country, but what on earth can I do to fix it? the Rachel reeves pension and stamp duty rumours have tipped me over the edge.

I believe 90% of our lives is the summation of our own choices. Bar (some of) our own (and families) health and tragic life events, there is very little we can’t choose in this country.

I’m not saying that the playing field is fair - I absolutely acknowledge that some groups face structural barriers that make good choices harder. Others are unaware those choices even exist. That’s where government should step in—not to equalise outcomes, but to equalise access to meaningful choice.

I think we all acknowledge that bad governments are ones that take away choices. This government, however is also taking away choice by incentivising bad choices. Policies should nudge people toward self-sufficiency, not make state reliance easier than self-reliance, or rewarding short-term decisions over long-term

Our Government should be working towards equitable availability of choice (not equal - see below) to make sure those choices are as easy and available to everyone. Policies should be in place to make sure people are encouraged to make the right choices.

I increasingly feel like I make the right choices and think what was the bloody point!

I’m going to wish I never paid into my pension soon and went on holiday instead! Should I just spend my money, move into a smaller house and quit my job. At this point I think I’d be better off.

Jargon Buster - EQUALITY - It’s assumed there is a level playing field and everyone gets the same resources. EQUITY - Everyone gets what they need to succeed, which may mean different levels of support.

OP posts:
Polaris81 · 09/11/2025 12:43

DuncinToffee · 09/11/2025 12:40

Nothing like that has been officially announced, it is under consideration, looked at as an option.

So, let’s allocate a 50/50 probability to it.

Premised on which, it is definitely worthy of mention.

WildLimePoet · 09/11/2025 12:44

Locutus2000 · 09/11/2025 12:41

What a sad thread. Getting what you wanted OP?

Yeah, how sad. That the colossal waste and largesse of the system has been allowed to go on for so long. Hopefully it’ll be cut down to size soon. When Labour are voted out of office and into oblivion.

bottledboot · 09/11/2025 12:44

And this is how welfare loses public support.

I agree with this point, welfare is losing support. Plenty of net recipients will be anti welfare too...

bottledboot · 09/11/2025 12:44

@WildLimePoet who is going to be in charge after labour and what will they be cutting?

WildLimePoet · 09/11/2025 12:45

bottledboot · 09/11/2025 12:44

@WildLimePoet who is going to be in charge after labour and what will they be cutting?

Hang on, let me check my crystal ball….back in a jiffy…..

Pluto46 · 09/11/2025 12:46

Legolava · 09/11/2025 12:34

@EastGrinstead You don’t understand what a bot is. Who knew? Tax payers are fed up of funding people to sit on welfare or do the absolute bare minimum. Over 50% of people are now state reliant.

The polls show quite clearly that Labour are very poorly regarded. The only place they are popular is on MN where the majority benefit from state largesse. Either through welfare or the public sector.

People who are unhappy with the government and the kite flying are in the overwhelming majority in the real world. Labour supporters on MN cannot compute this so shout bot because they don’t know what else to say. Let’s not forget the full house of: far right and must be a Reform supporter.

Edited

Not quite a full house as you omitted concern about illegal immigration equals racist!

Kirbert2 · 09/11/2025 12:46

WildLimePoet · 09/11/2025 12:44

Yeah, how sad. That the colossal waste and largesse of the system has been allowed to go on for so long. Hopefully it’ll be cut down to size soon. When Labour are voted out of office and into oblivion.

The Tories had years to make changes to Motability. Why didn't they?

Negroany · 09/11/2025 12:46

WildLimePoet · 09/11/2025 12:40

Yes, it’s called buying the lease. You’re really reaching now because you can’t justify the madness of waste. People are not going to accept this craziness much longer.

I'm not trying to justify anything, and I don't have to.

I said what I said, which is that people pay for mobility cars. You've been shown by several posters how that works, but you've insisted I was lying.

bottledboot · 09/11/2025 12:46

The difference between our model and theirs is in their countries (I’m thinking Scandinavia) they tax those with low incomes far more heavily.

@Woodlend this is true & middle incomes. The issue we have is housing costs, they are more proportional in other countries so people can pay more tax.

PandoraSocks · 09/11/2025 12:46

Polaris81 · 09/11/2025 12:29

Out of curiosity, why is Reeves removing BMW’s and Mercedes from the motability fleet?

As has been reported.

To appease the spiteful? Even if she does this, it will save no money. People will just lease a different car.

I think people really need to educate themselves about the scheme instead of swallowing the misinformation whole.

WildLimePoet · 09/11/2025 12:46

Kirbert2 · 09/11/2025 12:46

The Tories had years to make changes to Motability. Why didn't they?

Any Tories on this thread? Can you please answer this poster?

Frumpitydoo · 09/11/2025 12:47

They want us all skint, communist New World Order slave race. Wake the fuck up. The conspiracies are playing out in front of you.

WildLimePoet · 09/11/2025 12:47

Negroany · 09/11/2025 12:46

I'm not trying to justify anything, and I don't have to.

I said what I said, which is that people pay for mobility cars. You've been shown by several posters how that works, but you've insisted I was lying.

Saying that these cars are self funded rather than taxpayer funded is a lie.

EasternStandard · 09/11/2025 12:48

Negroany · 09/11/2025 12:43

Huh?

She hasn't put forward any economic theory, I didn't suggest she had done.

So why suggest she read a book on economics?

Woodlend · 09/11/2025 12:48

bottledboot · 09/11/2025 12:46

The difference between our model and theirs is in their countries (I’m thinking Scandinavia) they tax those with low incomes far more heavily.

@Woodlend this is true & middle incomes. The issue we have is housing costs, they are more proportional in other countries so people can pay more tax.

Housing costs in this country are such a massive issue. Causes:

intergenerational resentment
Low birth rate
Depression in young people
People living with their parents well into their 20s - failing to start adult life.

bottledboot · 09/11/2025 12:48

@WildLimePoet so who do you hope will cut it down to size?

ScholesPanda · 09/11/2025 12:49

OP, I am a Labour voter. I agree that people need to make the best of what is given to them and I've tried to do that in my life.

90% of what happens to us isn't caused by choice though. The effects of inequality is evident from a very early age for one thing.

I didn't moan on and on when we had a Conservative government, I just got on with things and made the best of it. If you genuinely can't manage that, maybe you should move abroad as you say you're thinking of doing (have fun in the UAE, which apparently needs an endless supply of expats). Or maybe do what you say- stop working hard and stop paying into your pension.

In my city, there are disabled single mothers who end up with their kids in pretty naff temporary accommodation for years and years. If they were childless men they'd be in a hostel or night shelter, so I guess they're lucky in that sense. There are single people on the state pension living in house shares.

But that probably won't happen to you- you'll make all the right choices on the benefits form and all the magical riches you think these people get will become yours.

Woodlend · 09/11/2025 12:49

WildLimePoet · 09/11/2025 12:47

Saying that these cars are self funded rather than taxpayer funded is a lie.

They pay for the cars - with money they got from the taxpayer. So not self funded at sll
then.

DuncinToffee · 09/11/2025 12:49

Polaris81 · 09/11/2025 12:43

So, let’s allocate a 50/50 probability to it.

Premised on which, it is definitely worthy of mention.

It would stop people frothing about people driving a Mercedes as their mobility car.

Lee Anderson would like to bring back the blue 3 wheeler.

PandoraSocks · 09/11/2025 12:49

WildLimePoet · 09/11/2025 12:47

Saying that these cars are self funded rather than taxpayer funded is a lie.

I have a question. If a person used their child benefit to lease a car, would that mean their car is tax payer funded? Yes or no?

bottledboot · 09/11/2025 12:50

@Woodlend it's a huge problem and impacts our productivity but not sure how you fix it now.

Polaris81 · 09/11/2025 12:50

PandoraSocks · 09/11/2025 12:46

To appease the spiteful? Even if she does this, it will save no money. People will just lease a different car.

I think people really need to educate themselves about the scheme instead of swallowing the misinformation whole.

Oh, I am not anti-motability - far from it.

I do find some of these threads informative, particularly when it comes to suggestions that the scheme is being abused etc.

Negroany · 09/11/2025 12:50

EasternStandard · 09/11/2025 12:48

So why suggest she read a book on economics?

So that she can develop some thoughts using economic theory, maybe? She asked for suggestions. I didn't suggest a particular one, or particular theory.

EasternStandard · 09/11/2025 12:50

Locutus2000 · 09/11/2025 12:41

What a sad thread. Getting what you wanted OP?

Why do you say that?

WildLimePoet · 09/11/2025 12:51

Woodlend · 09/11/2025 12:49

They pay for the cars - with money they got from the taxpayer. So not self funded at sll
then.

That’s my point.