To ask how much you think income tax will rise by?

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We’re absolutely financially at our limit… I’m so incredibly stressed. An income tax rise will break us and we won’t be able to afford it. We won’t have money to eat.

What do you think it’ll be? I just want to curl up and cry- we can’t take anymore increases our bills , mortgage everything has increased we have no spare money at all

Pays towards it……
Read the bloody post lol.

The bar just needs raising.

Its not half though as the pp claimed. Simply hyperbole.

Its not an out of work benefit either so many do look after themselves as you put it.

I hate to state the obvious but not everyone has family or support. As for the rest you appear to be speaking from a position of privilege and have little understanding of the struggles disabled people face.

Maybe the family should step up and STOP relying on the state. Well actually relying on the tax payer.

People need to get their situations in order.

Given the polarisation in the debate, would it be broadly accurate to conclude that those who are pro-Labour are in receipt of welfare support, or who have friends/family who are?

It just seems that the debate is so binary.

Dont be ridiculous.

Lose your home then because you wont be able to pay the mortgage on benefits, certainly wont have enough for swimming lessons for the kids and to pay for car insurance and stuff like that

Go on, try it.

Absolutely no issue with veterans on PIP. They can fill their boots. They have contributed to society.

PIP is not an out of work benefit anyway.
And not everyone has family. Not all medical conditions are manageable in the family home. If family stepped up as you advocate many would have to leave the workplace to do so.

Not everyone has family nearby, family capable enough, or family they talk to, or family at all.

You also seem oblivious to the fact that some family that step up can only do so because of the benefits system. They can't work because they are caring for a family member.

I think those who have health conditions or kids with health conditions need support.

Healthy people who are independent and supposed to be self sufficient shouldn't be relying on welfare.

Ah so it is nothing to do with how disabled someone is... it is about what they did before.

Why can't a veteran claiming PIP for PTSD just grow a backbone and be more resilient? (in your rough words).

The people you mention wont be on benefits though. One what grounds would they be claiming them? You make no sense.

It’s the people who have done bog all for society, just constantly on the take, who need to grow a backbone. Veterans have done their bit for society.

Yes, even those living in their bubbles, know there are millions just on the take. They have become accustomed to it.

So someone born disabled is "is on the take"?
Or someone who became disabled early on in life before they had the chance to contribute.

UC it they don't earn enough

That is not being self sufficient though.

UC it they don't earn enough

But that's largely to do with housing costs.

As in they should be self sufficient and not rely on welfare

Surely something is wrong if someone who works full time has to rely on benefits to stay housed?
Do you think stopping their benefits and making them homeless would help society in anyway?

The issue is - even if Labour was able to tackle the welfare state (it isn’t given last summer’s back bench rebellion), there is no meaningful growth, so where would these people work?

Benefits should be temporary and should be conditioned on a pathway to getting out of them. I.e. finding better paid work, or budgeting better

Exactly.
There are not enough jobs to go round for people who are actively job searching right now.
Are those people meant to live on fresh air?

Its not about raising the bar, its about ensuring that there are services in place.

There are a significant amount of people who are on PIP because they can't get the help and support to manage / alleviate their condition, not because the bar is too low.

There are a lot of people who are unable to work due to debilitating mental health or waiting for operations for physical ailments, who wouldn't be claiming if they could access the help they need.

The bar should absolutely be raised - but only alongside the improvement to services which enable people to get well.

Perhaps the answer could be to create a 'fast lane' for those people on PIP who are awaiting services.

Pay the private sector to provide the treatment and get them off PIP more quickly. Short term investment for long term gain.

It also takes some of the pressure off the NHS which could concentrate on preventing people getting to that stage in the first place.

Benefits should be temporary and should be conditioned on a pathway to getting out of them. I.e. finding better paid work, or budgeting better

It's largely housing costs that are swallowing up people's incomes. You need to tackle that issue first.

Why do you assume that someone on benefits can not budget? Or is capable of better work?

We need people to do low paid work. Or are you saying that people in low paid work deserve to live in poverty. They were celebrated during Covid.