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To think that if a workplace requires you to wear a poppy they should supply one?

278 replies

HaveIGoneMadHere · 06/11/2025 07:31

Basically just that. My work group chat have had a text from our manager this morning to say that if we don’t have a poppy by the end of the day we could face disciplinary action. I don’t tend to carry cash with me and have no way of getting change as I’m now on my way to work. Would I be unreasonable to go back and ask them to supply one for me?

I have nothing against wearing the poppy, I just don’t tend to carry cash with me and don’t go to places where they’re sold that frequently. I’ve not seen a single poppy box yet this year.

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GehenSieweiter · 06/11/2025 08:30

BallerinaRadio · 06/11/2025 08:28

Uhh all of them I guess.

You read the second part to my comment right? 🤨

Yes, the second part just says people are nuts, you've not given a reason why you think they're nuts.

Alpacajigsaw · 06/11/2025 08:32

That’s ridiculous. Even if you could buy your own some people are ideologically opposed to wearing poppies, same as they may be to pride lanyards etc and it’s not reasonable to discipline someone for refusing to wear something that doesn’t align with their views. What if your service users were all Reform fans; would it be acceptable to ask you to wear a badge with Nigel Farage’s face on it?!

Gymbunny2025 · 06/11/2025 08:34

HaveIGoneMadHere · 06/11/2025 07:36

But I don’t agree with being told I must spend my own money to comply with the requests of the manager.

Nor do I but that’s not unusual tbf. Lots of things I have to spend money on for work

Greenwitchart · 06/11/2025 08:36

This is ridiculous behaviour from your workplace.

  • First of all they should not be mandatory
  • they have no legal right to threaten staff with disciplinary action over it
  • you are perfectly right to say that they should supply the poppies.

I would simply ignore this or ask where you can pick up a poppy from HR...

BadgernTheGarden · 06/11/2025 08:37

HaveIGoneMadHere · 06/11/2025 07:31

Basically just that. My work group chat have had a text from our manager this morning to say that if we don’t have a poppy by the end of the day we could face disciplinary action. I don’t tend to carry cash with me and have no way of getting change as I’m now on my way to work. Would I be unreasonable to go back and ask them to supply one for me?

I have nothing against wearing the poppy, I just don’t tend to carry cash with me and don’t go to places where they’re sold that frequently. I’ve not seen a single poppy box yet this year.

I think it's very unlikely you could be disciplined for this. Whether they should supply them would depend 10p poppy no, £10 poppy yes. Ask them to get a poppy box for the front desk? So you can actually get one?

Jc2001 · 06/11/2025 08:38

Theroadt · 06/11/2025 08:03

I doubt a disciplinary would stand up before a tribunal in those circumstances. However, separately from that issue, I think it distasteful you seem reluctant to buy one (and your excuses thin). You presumably enjoy the freedoms we have in our society - that historically has come at a human cost, and is ongoing. It should be remembered without the fuss you’re making. I respect your right to choose not to wear/purchase one, but reserve my right to think less of you for it.

You mean freedoms like the freedom of choice and free will. Your post is kind of ironic.

Survivingnotthriving24 · 06/11/2025 08:41

Theroadt · 06/11/2025 08:03

I doubt a disciplinary would stand up before a tribunal in those circumstances. However, separately from that issue, I think it distasteful you seem reluctant to buy one (and your excuses thin). You presumably enjoy the freedoms we have in our society - that historically has come at a human cost, and is ongoing. It should be remembered without the fuss you’re making. I respect your right to choose not to wear/purchase one, but reserve my right to think less of you for it.

The poppy is supporting the Royal British Legion, not just veterans of world wars. Pacifism is a justifiable stance, not a hope in hell would I spend money supporting people who chose to join the military knowing all that entails when I could donate money to civilians affected by war.

I'll reserve my right to judge you for supporting these war mongering fools.

Untailored · 06/11/2025 08:43

Ignore it. They can’t enforce this.

FWIW though I agree with you that if they mandate something to be worn for work, they have to provide it or pay for it.

Peonies12 · 06/11/2025 08:44

That's madness. No way I would give into glorifying warfare in that way. I'm always shocked every year how prevalent poppies are. yet no-one is pushing to help those being killed and suffering all over the world today.

OchonAgusOchonOh · 06/11/2025 08:44

LadyGAgain · 06/11/2025 07:41

I don’t think work should mandate it. I think you should show respect and wear one regardless.

Or perhaps the manager should show respect to the op and not try to force their beliefs on others.

As an Irish person, I would consider wearing one to be disrespectful to all the Irish people who have suffered at the hands of the British military.

SP2024 · 06/11/2025 08:45

Your reasoning is not clear here. You say that you would happily wear one, but then say you don’t want to buy one because of how your grandfather didn’t have support after the war. The RBL is about trying to support veterans so I’m guessing you would be happy to donate to that cause, to make sure other veterans get better support in future. But then say you don’t want to spend your own money. It’s a bit confusing. Whilst also saying you haven’t seen a seller so couldn’t get one even though you would.

That being said no one can be forced to wear a poppy and a disciplinary action would be entirely illegal unless it’s in your contract and I’m willing to bet it’s not. You should be clear to your manager the reason though - don’t want to pay for it, not found anywhere that sells it or are ideologically opposed.

BasilParsley · 06/11/2025 08:45

Can you raid the stationery cupboard? Get a bit of card, cut out a poppy shape, use whiteboard markers in appropriate shades to colour it and make your own. Attach it to your chest with a bit of sellotape. On work's time, of course...

HaveIGoneMadHere · 06/11/2025 08:45

SP2024 · 06/11/2025 08:45

Your reasoning is not clear here. You say that you would happily wear one, but then say you don’t want to buy one because of how your grandfather didn’t have support after the war. The RBL is about trying to support veterans so I’m guessing you would be happy to donate to that cause, to make sure other veterans get better support in future. But then say you don’t want to spend your own money. It’s a bit confusing. Whilst also saying you haven’t seen a seller so couldn’t get one even though you would.

That being said no one can be forced to wear a poppy and a disciplinary action would be entirely illegal unless it’s in your contract and I’m willing to bet it’s not. You should be clear to your manager the reason though - don’t want to pay for it, not found anywhere that sells it or are ideologically opposed.

I’d happily get one if I have cash and saw a seller. I have personal conflicts though which is allowed?

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YorkshireGoldDrinker · 06/11/2025 08:46

"My work group chat have had a text from our manager this morning to say that if we don’t have a poppy by the end of the day we could face disciplinary action."

Okay, that's really dumb.

I'm fully in on wearing a poppy (only the red one), but forcing beliefs like that is too far.

I don't really have advice. It's a threatened disciplinary, not a summary sacking. I doubt it will go further than a stare down contest.

5128gap · 06/11/2025 08:48

What an unusual service provider you must work for if they are able to meet the wishes of the elderly clients to such detail, and have the spare resources to put staff through a disciplinary that wouldn't hold at tribunal.
Your manager is putting their big boots on, but the law is not on their side. However, how helpful that is depends on how secure your job is, and how much you want to rock the boat. It may be easier just to explain the no cash situation.
Watch out for this manager though. They're clearly incompetent.

theressomanytinafeysicouldbe · 06/11/2025 08:48

Print one off or make one, be inventive

Viviennemary · 06/11/2025 08:49

I dont think your work is right to enforce this. Although I do support that cause. Or borrow a couple of pounds from a colleague.

Whyherewego · 06/11/2025 08:50

I would just email the manager and ask where you pick your work supplied poppy up from as they are a mandatory accessory ....

Allswellthatendswelll · 06/11/2025 08:51

Well this is clearly ridiculous!
I wear a poppy but I dislike the enforced poppy wearing hysteria.

YorkshireGoldDrinker · 06/11/2025 08:51

YorkshireGoldDrinker · 06/11/2025 08:46

"My work group chat have had a text from our manager this morning to say that if we don’t have a poppy by the end of the day we could face disciplinary action."

Okay, that's really dumb.

I'm fully in on wearing a poppy (only the red one), but forcing beliefs like that is too far.

I don't really have advice. It's a threatened disciplinary, not a summary sacking. I doubt it will go further than a stare down contest.

Verdict from ChatGPT (yes yes, I know):

You're right to be suspicious — forcing someone to wear a poppy at work is not legally sound, and could indeed raise issues under the Equality Act 2010, as well as broader employment and human rights principles.
Here’s the legal position broken down: 1. No law requires anyone to wear a poppy
Wearing a poppy is entirely voluntary. The Royal British Legion (which produces and sells poppies) explicitly says that “the poppy is a symbol of remembrance and hope — it is not compulsory.”
So any employer demanding it is acting contrary to the intended spirit of the symbol. 2. Forcing someone to wear one could be unlawful under the Equality Act 2010
Under the Equality Act, it’s unlawful for an employer to discriminate, harass, or victimise an employee because of (or for refusing to express) a protected characteristic, such as:

  • Religion or belief (which includes philosophical beliefs — and lack of belief)
  • Political belief or affiliation (sometimes protected under “philosophical belief” depending on context)
  • Race, if the symbol is seen as nationalistic or exclusionary
If the employee objects because of a religious, moral, or political belief — or simply a lack of belief — forcing them to wear a poppy or disciplining them for refusing could amount to direct discrimination or indirect discrimination. For instance:
  • Someone who is a pacifist, Irish nationalist, or from a community affected by British military action might reasonably feel the poppy conflicts with their beliefs.
  • Forcing them to wear it puts them at a particular disadvantage compared to others — that’s textbook indirect discrimination, unless the employer can objectively justify it (which would be extremely hard to do).
3. Human Rights perspective (ECHR Articles 9 & 10) Under the Human Rights Act 1998, Article 9 (freedom of thought, conscience, and religion) and Article 10 (freedom of expression) both protect a person’s right not to express certain views or symbols. A poppy, while non-partisan for many, is still a symbolic political statement. Compelling an employee to wear it could breach those rights. 4. Employer policy and proportionality Employers can set dress codes, but only for legitimate business reasons (e.g. safety, branding, hygiene). Requiring a remembrance poppy isn’t a legitimate business reason — it’s a symbolic expression. If someone were disciplined or dismissed for refusing, it could be unfair dismissal (if they have >2 years’ service) and possibly constructive dismissal if they resigned over it. 5. What your friend can do If they’re being threatened with disciplinary action:
  1. Ask for the policy in writing — does it appear in the staff handbook or dress code?
  2. Raise the issue informally with HR, pointing out that the poppy is voluntary and that forcing one constitutes coercion over belief or expression.
  3. If pressure continues, they could:
  4. File a formal grievance under the Equality Act,
  5. Seek advice from ACAS (free and confidential), or
  6. Contact their union, if they’re a member.
Summary IssueLegal positionRequired to wear a poppy No, not lawfulGrounds for discipline/refusal Likely indirect discrimination under Equality ActBasis in lawEquality Act 2010 (religion/belief), Human Rights Act 1998Employer defenceVery weak — no objective justification likelyRecommended actionRaise with HR, ACAS, or union
Iocanepowder · 06/11/2025 08:52

Agree it won’t stand up legally.

Your boss not only needs to do their research but also grow a pair and tell the service users that legally they cannot enforce this and employees have freedom to choose how they honour things.

CryMyEyesViolet · 06/11/2025 08:52

Survivingnotthriving24 · 06/11/2025 08:41

The poppy is supporting the Royal British Legion, not just veterans of world wars. Pacifism is a justifiable stance, not a hope in hell would I spend money supporting people who chose to join the military knowing all that entails when I could donate money to civilians affected by war.

I'll reserve my right to judge you for supporting these war mongering fools.

This.

Also charity shouldn’t ever be performative, so if I were to donate to RBL I’d be likely to decline the poppy, as I don’t need to prove my donation to anyone.

I walk past a war memorial every morning on the way to work and I often stop for a few seconds to read a few names and ponder their life and sacrifices and the senselessness of it all, so I’m able to pay respect just fine without a poppy, and I’ll spend my money donating to causes I think are more worthy, and I’ll tell you nothing about it.

TokyoSushi · 06/11/2025 08:54

Your manager is a fool.

But, if you don't mind, just simply reply 'no problem, where shall I pick it up from?'

PinkKimono · 06/11/2025 08:54

Theroadt · 06/11/2025 08:03

I doubt a disciplinary would stand up before a tribunal in those circumstances. However, separately from that issue, I think it distasteful you seem reluctant to buy one (and your excuses thin). You presumably enjoy the freedoms we have in our society - that historically has come at a human cost, and is ongoing. It should be remembered without the fuss you’re making. I respect your right to choose not to wear/purchase one, but reserve my right to think less of you for it.

You presumably enjoy the freedoms we have in our society - that historically has come at a human cost, and is ongoing

Which includes the freedom not to wear a poppy.

My dad fought in WW2, my great uncle died aged 21 in WW1. I think of them on Armistice day, but I don't wear a poppy.

I would be nice if there was as much concern about the veterans we see in sleeping bags on our streets and those left with mental health difficulties and other disabilities.

DeanStockwell · 06/11/2025 08:54

This isn't about whether @HaveIGoneMadHere loves the country/ supports the charity/ wants or doesn't want to wear a poppy for whatever reason.

It's about his / her manager saying that they have to wear one or face disciplinary procedures.
If its is mandatory, I agree that the work place should provide them and make a substantial donation to the charity.
All the staff should if been given more notice, most will drive straight home and so not stop at a shop selling poppies.

@HaveIGoneMadHere , if you do get pulled on this don't feel that you have to give excuses/ reasons why you don't want to wear one.
Put the ball in your managers court and ask them why you do have to wear one.
Then ask them how much the company is donating and will they be doing the same for all of the other UK wide charities that supports veterans and those that are still fighting .