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'Dictating' and 'blackmailing' about PIL's dog

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GigglingSquiddling · 05/11/2025 09:30

Me and DH have 2 kids, aged 18m and 3 years. My PIL live about 90 minutes away from us and have asked if we would like to spend Christmas with them this year. They have a big breed dog which is untrained, boisterous and has been known to snap/bite both dogs and people. He's only 3 but being a big breed still acts very puppy-like. He's drawn blood from my FIL multiple times.

We have said we are only comfortable visiting if the dog is muzzled or locked in a different room for the duration of our visit. PILs have refused, saying this isn't fair on the dog and they don't believe in muzzling as it's cruel. They think he's a big softie and "he's only snapped a few times, it's not like he's an aggressive dog"- their words not mine. They think it's our responsibility to keep our children away from the dog. While I don't disagree, this doesn't sound like a pleasant visit as we would constantly be hovering, especially over the youngest who isn't old enough to understand to stay away.

We've just said it doesn't sound like this set up works right now so maybe it's best left until the kids are a bit older. We are now being accused of dictating what PILs do in their own house, and blackmailing them by withholding access to their grandchildren if they refuse to 'bow to our demands'.

Are we being unreasonable? I'm not anti-dog, we have a dog but he is smaller, well trained and very quiet and soft with the kids. I have no issue locking him in the kitchen or garden if friends come round who aren't keen on dogs.

OP posts:
Grinsta · 05/11/2025 10:02

"They think it's our responsibility to keep our children away from the dog. "

That is literally what you are doing. These things can happen in a second. This is what you taking the responsibility looks like.

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 05/11/2025 10:03

I'm angry on your behalf reading this. How fucking dare they accuse you of 'dictating what they do in their own house'. You've asked politely, they've said no, so you've said fair enough and are now taking the sensible steps to keep your children safe from a large dog who has 'only snapped a few times'. How dare they try and emotionally manipulate you into compromising your children's safety?!

dottiedodah · 05/11/2025 10:06

They are being very unreasonable .I love dogs,but with small DC its an accident waiting to happen.I would say you love seeing them but are worried about dog,They should understand .if not thats up to them .See if you can ask them to come for tea instead

ttcat37 · 05/11/2025 10:11

Why would you want to spend the day with people who put the comfort of their dog above the safety of their grandchildren?!
You need to prioritise your kids’ safety even if it means an awkward conversation. “Thank you for the invite but we’re not comfortable for Tyson to be around the kids. You’re welcome to come to us if you can leave him at home?”

tootyflooty · 05/11/2025 10:16

My mil had 2 very large poorly behaved dogs, and when she refused to keep them either in the garden or in another room, and also refused to not smoke indoors whilst we visited with our toddler twins, just said maybe don't come to us until the children are bigger. We never went there again, and thankfully she now lives abroad, so we don't have to see her all. I just don't understand grandparents who have so little regard for their grand children, must be hard for their adult child to see how little they actually care. As a dgp myself now, I can't imagine ever putting anything above the well being of my dgc.
Stand your ground and don't be bullied into feeling guilty, I hope your dp is supportive given they are his parents.

Worralorra · 05/11/2025 10:17

You’re not “dictating” or “withholding”, you’re setting boundaries.

They are the ones being unreasonable…

sueelleker · 05/11/2025 10:22

YANBU. If it's drawn blood from your FIL, imagine what it could do to a young child. My niece, as a young child, got badly bitten in the face by an untrained dog, and ended up with 14 stitches. Don't risk it.

Delphiniumandlupins · 05/11/2025 10:35

I don't think it would be fair to either dog or DC to have them in the same space. It is not normal for a dog to snap "a few times" or draw blood, unless a teething puppy. If the house was big enough to have the dog completely separate you would still have to be constantly watching that nobody opened the wrong door. Your PiLs are prioritising not training their dog over seeing their grandchildren.

CurlewKate · 05/11/2025 10:57

This is interesting . I reckon some Mumsnetters brains will explode trying to decide whether to be anti PILs or pro dog! 🤣🤣🤣

RosaMundi27 · 05/11/2025 11:01

"untrained, boisterous and has been known to snap/bite both dogs and people"
This is a dog who will never be safe around children. Please don't bring your children to that house, if anything goes wrong, and the chances are fairly high, you will never forgive yourself. You know it's not safe.

CaptainMyCaptain · 05/11/2025 11:02

I voted YABU because you cant tell them what to do with their dog. A dog that is used to having the run of the house can't just be muzzled and locked in a room. It would be stressed and trying to get out all the time and nobody would be able to relax. If it managed to get out it would likely be more aggressive due to stress. BUT I think you should just not go if you feel the dog is unsafe.

FOJN · 05/11/2025 11:09

I would resist accepting their framing of the situation and refuse to make it a dogs vs children argument.

Tell them you want a stress free Christmas and would find that hard if you were having to supervise your children's every move. You respect it's their home and the dogs has every right to roam freely so you have decided to spend Christmas at your house to avoid the worry. Refuse to engage in the emotional blackmail. Invite them to your house in some other day over the Christmas holiday so they can see the children.

Whereismyfleeceblanket · 05/11/2025 11:12

Maybe remind them they actually have no 'rights' to seeing your dc. They've chosen not to train their ddog. You staying home is simply the consequences of that.

BauhausOfEliott · 05/11/2025 11:37

YANBU at all - and I love dogs. Your in-laws are mad.

Haaaruuuumph · 05/11/2025 11:41

Tell them that they're prioritising their dog over the safety of their Grandchildren

It's that simple

Haaaruuuumph · 05/11/2025 11:41

FOJN · 05/11/2025 11:09

I would resist accepting their framing of the situation and refuse to make it a dogs vs children argument.

Tell them you want a stress free Christmas and would find that hard if you were having to supervise your children's every move. You respect it's their home and the dogs has every right to roam freely so you have decided to spend Christmas at your house to avoid the worry. Refuse to engage in the emotional blackmail. Invite them to your house in some other day over the Christmas holiday so they can see the children.

Sans dog

atamlin · 05/11/2025 11:43

Sounds to me like they’re choosing the dog over their grandkids. How sad but not your problem! The visit would be a nightmare but you’d be on edge the whole time and it doesn’t sound like the fun Christmas you could have at home. You’ve said you can go but they need to secure their dog, they have declined. That is your answer.

MO0N · 05/11/2025 11:48

If this was me it would be a flat 'no it's not safe' and I wouldn't be drawn any further into discussion.
I would refuse to be in the presence of the animal at all given its history, let alone have my children near the thing!

keeptalkinghappytalk · 05/11/2025 11:52

YANBU .. your kids' safety is non negotiable and you would be criminally negligent exposing small children to the dog of this unpleasant couple.
My take on this is the long view, I m afraid OP. Such people as your PIL who are happy to risk their grandchildren's safety for the sake of their dog, are likely to fail you again and again in the future.
Enjoy life and keep them at arm's length.

Icanflyhigh · 05/11/2025 11:53

Love dogs, always have, always will.

They are not superior to children, or other adults, as much as a part of the family they are.
I would be repeating to MIL/FIL their own line of "your responsibility to keep your children away from the dog" and informing them that is exactly what you will be doing - 90 minutes away in fact.....

Have a wonderful Christmas at home and let your children enjoy the magic in their own home without fear of a boisterous dog or being taken away from their lovely presents to visit family.

Tryingatleast · 05/11/2025 11:54

Second thread I’ve read on this today- boarding kennels should actively start advertising for the Christmas period- they’d be full up!!

icouldholditwithacobweb · 05/11/2025 11:56

That's insane. I have two dogs, and if they were prone to snapping or biting, I would never quibble about shutting them away if people with young kids came to visit - it's common sense! Why put both dog and children in a dangerous situation where you KNOW something unfortunate is likely to happen? It's moronic and irresponsible. Your PILs need to grow the fuck up and take responsibility for the bad behaviour of their dog, and respect other people's right to safety. They are deluded and untrustworthy, and on top of that, trying to guilt trip you into going along with their irresponsible behaviour?! Hell no.

MrsSkylerWhite · 05/11/2025 11:59

ChatBotBelly · 05/11/2025 09:35

I would say to them that they are choosing their dogs comfort over the safety of their grandchildren.

This. Stay home and enjoy yourselves.

gamerchick · 05/11/2025 12:04

I wouldn't be saying anything. These are your husbands parents, let him handle them.

RampantIvy · 05/11/2025 13:03

It's easy. You have Christmas in your own house.