Middle class people and Labour/Lib Dem voters are particularly disapproving of flag flyers

[EddyF]

Do you agree with this?

Class is a key distinction, with middle class people (those in the ABC1 social category) being more likely to disapprove of someone flying a flag than working class people (those in the C2DE category).

One third of middle class people (37%) disapprove of at least one of the flags listed being flown, compared to 23% of working class people.
The biggest difference comes over the English flag, which 30% of middle class people would judge someone negatively for flying compared to 16% of working class people.

Labour and Lib Dem voters are also much more likely to hold unfavourable views of those flying of England and UK flags than their Conservative counterparts.

Three in ten Labour voters (31%) and four in ten Lib Dem voters (42%) have an unfavourable view of someone flying the England flag. Among Conservative voters this figure is only 16%.
Likewise, 26% of Labour voters and 30% of Lib Dem voters have an unfavourable view of someone flying the Union Jack, compared to just 12% of Conservative voters.

Ah you’re trolling, very good you almost had me there 🤣

That’s good but maybe moving to experience other cultures? Life is for living well and staying in the one you dislike the most seems a shame.

You start infuriated, but gradually, you come to roll with it. 🤷‍♀️

Exactly. I read some as parody others not but then you just let it roll.

what a surprise that OP posted once then disappeared

Why not start a thread in baby names? On Craicnet? Crowd source your new identity with the authenticity it deserves

I am not sure there is less racism in middle class circles

I think it is often better hidden while they can openly despise and look down on working class people

And I do not believe if hotels housing asylum seekers (populated mainly by men) were in very mc areas there wouldn't be complaints about them it just would be made to the right people and the right way to make changes happen

That is not excusing the racists its just its plays out differently

100%

@MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack - could you point me to this social categories list? Although British, I didn't grow up in the UK, and have sometimes wondered what class I would be. Nice to find out :)

Yes this, how many on here would put up their hands for barracks nearby?

But would be aghast if others objected in a way they didn’t like.

MC would just use other ways to say no.

Exactly this.

Who even is working class now? We have one of the highest minimum wages in the world, a lot of plumbers and electricians and other trades are making a lot of money. A couple both working full time minimum wage jobs will be on around £48,000 between them, around £3450 a month.

What does working class mean? It seems to be a social status more than anything else, or does it now refer more to people who aren't working?

Yes you are being unreasonable OP because those figures are from a YouGov Nov. 2018 survey! (Thank you Google AI!). So they're not up to date figures.

https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/21548-one-four-brits-have-unfavourable-view-those-flying

@Thepeopleversuswork But the racism and xenophobia in our society is much closer to the surface than it has been for decades and this hasn't happened in a vacuum or because the left made it so. The Tommy Robinson Unite the Kingdom march wasn't driven by the middle classes or the left.

I'm not sure I entirely agree with this. If the liberal left had spent as much effort pushing for better things for the working class as they do for minority groups, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in. The middle class absolutely loathe the working class for the most part. I know someone who is heavily invested in diversity in the workplace and spends much of her time championing black and asian kids. The trouble is the kids she champions are all middle class like her, have been to good schools and have already got very decent prospects. She would no more give a leg up to a white working class kid than she would eat a plate of dog shit. I think the liberal left have a lot to answer for when it comes to where we've ended up as a country.

It's more accurate t say that, as your comment demonstrates, they just jump on different bandwagons and make different generalisations.

Why would she? Have you seen how much social credit you can get for championing some of the right causes these days? Just last week, after being silent about the conflict in Israel for so long, my cousin Tabetha finally made a post on instagram about the plight of the people in Gaza, and my gosh the likes she got were astronomical. Frankly I was bitterly jealous, I’ve been all about the river and the sea since December 2024 and I haven’t had nearly enough validation on my accounts.

Scandalous 😪

I live amongst working class prople, and we are knee deep in flags. No one is getting stressed about it;,🤷‍♀️

How do you know that no one is getting stressed about it?

Partly true , but I think the reverse is true too - you only had to look at threads around the EU referendum time or Facebook or Twitter to realise that a very large chunk( not all of course) of the working class were more than happy to call us ‘snowflakes- ‘woke’ - ‘lefties’ liberal ( as if that’s bad word) , make personal comments about your weight/appearance, and generally be incredibly unpleasant and often threatening - - this wasn’t in the main middle class Lexiters, who were more than happy to discuss the issues intelligently and argue the toss- and I’m ok with that
I am a realist and have a business that has a fair bit of EU trade, i am not particularly woke, am in the centre politically and come from a working class mining town originally - at 63 I don’t need some fat , bald, unemployed ( or sometimes in the trades) hugely tattooed nonentity to tell me I need to lose some weight, or ‘slap some make up on love or call you an ‘ugly c*’ - not all working class people are the same and need things doing for them -some are doing perfectly nicely and have as much as plenty of middle class people - and some have plenty of nous too to make sure they get by ok - you only have to see some of the threads on here - Yes there are plenty who struggle , but there are plenty of middle class families ( on paper) renting homes they can’t really afford off very average salaries, ( because they are back of the queue when it comes to social housing allocation) behind on bills etc - how do you define working class too? Income or education /attitude? If it’s income lots of people you might think of as middle class aren’t necessarily on big incomes- we aren’t always talking private schools, posh areas, multiple holidays abroad - plenty of working class families think nothing of AI holidays to Turkey every year whilst plenty of middle class families ( if it’s an attitude and education thing) thing they’ve done ok with a week in Cornwall and 2 days at a music festival.

I do by the way totally agree with the opposite end of the spectrum as you said and only giving a shit about non white ethnicity or I will add in LGBT too - we need to stop looking at people as a ‘homogenous’ lump - it gets like animal farm otherwise, 4 legs good, 2 legs bad etc - we are all people and I tend to find their are shit heads and very good people in ‘all ‘ skin colours, classes, religious beliefs and income levels .

Even Kevin knows that not all immigrants- legal or otherwise are consultants, doctors and nurses.

Sick of that ridiculous and patronising trope being thrown around by the ‘superior haves’ at the ‘have nots.’

The attitudes towards the working class here are getting more and more snotty every day.

Theodora! Stop picking on Kevin,

Yeh that Kevin part is just toe curling.

Yes!!!! If there were that many ‘very liberals’ around there’d be no such thing as private schools.

How do you manage to walk carrying such a huge pile of prejudice?

What would you say to a working class half-scouse/half-Irish woman then. Half okay? Passing?

Absolutely!!

It looks cheap and tacky. Best way to make an area look chavvy, IMO.

There are none in our rural village, nor the surrounding villages.

Surprise surprise, they pop up when you pop into local towns, particularly in the shit bits.

No thank you.

They're not flying them to be patriotic, they're doing it to send a message and it's not one I support.

@Thepeopleversuswork
Far right rhetoric and racism is the fault of the right, not the left or the middle classes. Let’s call a spade a spade.

Interesting…what does your last sentence make you then?