Ban male nursery workers?

[BluntPlumHam]

I came across this article which has left me quite sick.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cze665j2y51o.amp

Said 18 year old was newly qualified nursery worker who’d SA’d and raped 3 year olds.

Nurseries are desperate for workers and I have noticed through friends and families that there is now an increasing number of men entering the profession.

Men traditionally haven’t performed this role and I often find it difficult to envisage what attracts a male to this profession to begin with when we have so many instances of men who run away from childcare responsibilities.

Although men entering the profession can be a positive outcome the other very concerning outcome and on the potential rise is this.

Sex offenders will target this profession no doubt as it gives them easy access to children.

men are significantly more likely than women to sexually assault children.
Official statistics consistently show that the vast majority of individuals convicted of, or reported for, child sexual abuse (CSA) are male. For example:

• In the year ending March 2019, the Crime Survey for England and Wales found that 92% of adults who reported experiencing CSA said the perpetrator was male only.
• In 2022/23, almost 99% of individuals convicted of child sexual abuse offences in the UK were men.
• Reports to the Australian Royal Commission by victims and survivors of institutional abuse revealed that 93.9% of the abuse was perpetrated by an adult man.

So just a blanket ban on them all together ?

It isn’t my personal opinion but I do think we ought to have measures in place to make nurseries more secure and safer. This thread is to invite discussion.

Also, kudos to those brave little 3 year olds who had the courage to tell their parents because they’ve saved a lot of potential victims in the future. My thoughts and wishes for a life time of healing for them and theirs.

The consequences of the rape of a 3 year old are hugely worse than the consequences of shoplifting though.

I'm not necessarily saying that men should be banned from childcare BUT we can't ignore the facts that
men commit the vast majority of sexual abuse
paedophiles are more likely to work with children than non-paedophiles

What do we do with this information in order to keep children safe? Can't just shrug and say 'oh well, some children will be abused'.

This article was interesting about the recent situation in Australian nurseries https://theconversation.com/childcare-sexual-abuse-is-mostly-committed-by-men-failing-to-recognise-that-puts-children-at-risk-260292
There only seems to have been one study done: "This study examined cases from 1983 to 1985, and identified 270 daycare centres where 1,639 children were found to have experienced substantiated sexual abuse. Although men made up only about 5% of childcare staff, they were responsible for 60% of the offences. The abuse was often severe, with 93% of victims subjected to some form of penetrative sexual violence."

I’m not trying to win an argument, I’m pointing out the absurdity of the proposition. There’s no “winners” in this sort of situation.

Quite true.

I dont know but near to me two female nursery workers were recently jailed. A 9month old baby was strapped to a beanbag to stop her crying and suffocated.

Any person is a possible pedo you nitwit. Just like any person is a possible murderer, terrorist, etc. Because, its possible.

Men are a great deal more likely to commit violent crime.
They're also a great deal more likely to be paedophiles.

Once again...

This posters comment wasn't comparing these two crimes, it was highlighting how stupid banning a particular demographic from certain jobs would be.

People from disadvantaged neighborhoods have higher incidents of burglary and drug use - should we ban them from working in shops, hospitals or vets?

People from black communities have a higher incidence of violent crime, should we ban black people from working as security guards, bouncers, the police or chefs because they might stab someone?

People from well educated backgrounds have higher incidences of embezzlement, cyber crime and tax fraud, should we ban them from getting jobs in accounting or IT?

A blanket ban just because someone MIGHT do something is very close to 1984 nd the next step is calling for arrests for thought crimes.

Google's telling me that in the last year, two male nursery workers have been jailed for child sexual abuse.
Three female workers have been jailed for physical abuse.
According to the government, 3% of nursery workers are male. But 40% of those jailed for abuse in the last year have been male.

Im not denying that men are more likely to be sexual abusers than women. I still dont think the way to deal with this is to ban all men from ever working in a nursery.

"paedophiles are more likely to work with children than non-paedophiles"

Well i guess we'll never know because peadophiles that work exclusively with adults arent exactly going to be caught being peadophiles at work are they?

This study was about men who self-reported sexual feelings towards children or sexual offending towards children, not men who had been caught.

How silly.

Who else are you hoping to ban next? male teachers, male GPs, male nurses, male social workers, male sport coaches...where does it end?

It is important that nurseries and schools do proper checks and stay vigilant with all their staff, male or female, but suggesting that any man who wants to work with kids is a pervert is just bonkers.

Yanbu. I agree with you. Not all men, but almost always men. And it has happened too often recently. Fundamental safeguarding for vulnerable children.

So a sample size so negligible as to be of any statistical use then?

How many people do you see openly admitting to that?

The Australian study was just under 2000 men and 1 in 6 reported sexual feelings or offending towards children, I don't know if that is negligible or not to be honest!

How did the child come about immacualte conception? so men have their uses when one wants children with one and we hear endlessy how women martyr themsleves and want more men to care for children and help raise children, expcet when they are paid for it oh no we cant have that, women also want to have lots of different types of jobs and cry about sexism but want to ban men jusy because of their sex?

statiscally who is more harmful to children male nursery staff or the new man moved into existing children's lives?

Both situations are risky so best to not leave your babies under the care of any such person.

So this means women have to 100% care for children and a child can never be left with a man, even one that is biologically his? and parent abuse their own children also

but women want men to ''step up'' and be a better parent, how would they do that by MS Teams?

There sperm us useful but not their care?

Where did I say anything about not leaving babies with their dad? I leave mine with my husband because I’ve known him for 20 years and I know he’s not a paedo. The two examples you gave were new man in child’s life and a childcare worker which are both risky.

My dd loved the man in her nursery as did all the other children. And most of my male friends are wonderful fathers

My dd loved the man in her nursery as did all the other children. And most of my male friends are wonderful fathers

I have 2 sons and if they decided to work with small children i wouldnt be surprised if parents of those children weren’t comfortable with men doing the job.

the priority is the feelings and safety of the children - not the feelings of a man who would like to do the job.

YANBU. I wouldn’t want my child in a nursery with male staff.

I put up a post about this about 10 years ago when a male worker started in my child’s nursery - about 300 replies mostly telling me i was a bigot.

The amount of men who are caught viewing child abuse images - extremely disturbing - compared to women caught says a lot.

People are very naive if they dont thing male abusers would be attracted to a profession that gives them easy access.

And ideas about safeguarding and never leaving a child with one worker obviously dont offer full protection as we hear about abuse case in nurseries quite regularly.