Ban male nursery workers?

[BluntPlumHam]

I came across this article which has left me quite sick.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cze665j2y51o.amp

Said 18 year old was newly qualified nursery worker who’d SA’d and raped 3 year olds.

Nurseries are desperate for workers and I have noticed through friends and families that there is now an increasing number of men entering the profession.

Men traditionally haven’t performed this role and I often find it difficult to envisage what attracts a male to this profession to begin with when we have so many instances of men who run away from childcare responsibilities.

Although men entering the profession can be a positive outcome the other very concerning outcome and on the potential rise is this.

Sex offenders will target this profession no doubt as it gives them easy access to children.

men are significantly more likely than women to sexually assault children.
Official statistics consistently show that the vast majority of individuals convicted of, or reported for, child sexual abuse (CSA) are male. For example:

• In the year ending March 2019, the Crime Survey for England and Wales found that 92% of adults who reported experiencing CSA said the perpetrator was male only.
• In 2022/23, almost 99% of individuals convicted of child sexual abuse offences in the UK were men.
• Reports to the Australian Royal Commission by victims and survivors of institutional abuse revealed that 93.9% of the abuse was perpetrated by an adult man.

So just a blanket ban on them all together ?

It isn’t my personal opinion but I do think we ought to have measures in place to make nurseries more secure and safer. This thread is to invite discussion.

Also, kudos to those brave little 3 year olds who had the courage to tell their parents because they’ve saved a lot of potential victims in the future. My thoughts and wishes for a life time of healing for them and theirs.

Wasn't she also abusive to the baby in front of other nursery workers and they didn't say anything because she was the nursery manager?

She wasn't the manager but there was clearly a cultural issue at that nursery as when police viewed CCTV they found at least one other staff member abusing children.

Maybe CCTV should be monitored more closely? (not 24/7 but just reviewed often) I know that would mean hiring people but might be an option if hiring more nursery staff isn't possible?

I’m so relieved on a daily basis my children never spent time in nurseries as vulnerable babies/toddlers. One got shut down near us, absolutely horrendous OFSTED report, truly shocking. Safety and standards are worse than ever, and I honestly don’t think parents have a realistic picture of what actually goes on in many of them. Terrifying.

Violent response? How was my response violent ? I haven't threatened anybody on here, I haven't said I'd take them outside and beat them up. 😀
I originally said about the lack of poll vote and suggested that peeps wouldn't agree with you which is like getting your arse kicked.
Noone has physically kicled your arse have they? Noone has actually threatened you. Stop being so silly.
End of discussion with me, have a good evening.

Yep, that's the one i was thinking of.

Glad you’ve come to your senses.

I see you're unable to understand comparison by highlighting the absurdity of the original proposal.

I'm highlighting how stupid it would be to ban people from jobs based on their sex, your argument is presumably "because the stats say men are more likely to be abusers, we should ban them from jobs where they can abuse"

Here's the thing, people who abuse will do it regardless of the law, (see banning access to knives and how that hasn't affected incidents of stabbings)

Truth is women are just as capable as men at being abusers, see the most recent well publicised case of Roksana Lecka, or if you're looking for a hospital setting where people can also be vulnerable to abuse, you only need to look at Lucy Letby; So instead of placing the blame on a particular sex, put pressure on the regulations to put stricter procedures to protect the vulnerable in place instead?

Instead of parrotting what you've been told, how about using that space between your ears and practicing a little bit of critical thinking?

I wouldn’t feel comfortable with my daughter being looked after my men at nursery, whether rightly or wrongly, that’s how I instinctively feel about it. I’m sure there are some good male nursery staff members, but it puts up the percentage of risk of something dark happening imo.

Women also abuse isn't the same as women presenting the same level of risk though, especially with child sexual abuse which seems to be at least 90% a male crime.

It turns out there are millions of fathers who do just fine looking after young children worldwide. Yes, the statistics say they have a higher incidence of crimes of abuse but that is not a good enough argument to exclude the overwhelming number of them that don't.

So many bloody women out there complaining about useless deadbeat, non present fathers and then complain to fuck when one wants to go into childcare and be a good role model.

You can't win!

I wouldn’t want a man changing my daughter’s nappy. I don’t care what people think of me for saying that.

I think most people would rather a child's father changed their nappy than an unrelated male though, in risk terms?

Women are more likely to be abused by their husband than a stranger but I still would rather accept a lift from my husband than get in a strange man's car.

Which is I think women should be banned from shops giving our significantly higher propensity for theft.

Do you not think that equating shoplifting to the rape of a 3 year old child is kind of gross?

She published the stats. Can you explain what they mean to me then please?

No, they're equating banning women from entering shops because they are statistically more likely to shoplift with banning men being carers because they are statistically more likely to abuse to highlight just how absurd both ideas are.

Wow

I agree. I wouldn’t send my child to a nursery with male workers.

Exactly my point. @VikaOlson and @Terrytheweasel might understand the point now someone has spelt it out for them.

If you are so distrustful of men, why did you have a child with one?

It being paid well stopped men from be abusers Weinstein, Saville, Stuart Hall, Hugh Edwards, Prince Andrew and others would never have committed any crimes.

There’s ’capable’ and then there is the statistic of 99 percent for sexual abuse ( see @Jollyjoy posts) that’s the bit that requires critical thinking. The rest is just noise.

You can absolutely call the suggestion absurd but you base it on ‘because women commit crime too’ that’s where you’re struggling to understand the OP.

The stats don’t support you and many posters who are trying to force this equality of crimes narrative whereby women seem to be committing this particular crime at a similar or close to similar rate to men. The margins are massive no matter how much you shout about other forms of abuse or list female perpetrators it won’t change this alarming statistic.

With respect … and I genuinely mean this to suggest sexual crimes against children is in anyway in the same category as shoplifting is a very desperate/poor attempt to win an argument.

You seem to be missing my point.
I am not arguing that because women commit crimes too, then the risks are equal, what I'm saying is that both sexes do commit crimes, and yes, even if men do commit them at a proportionally higher rate the answer is not a blanket ban on men entering these jobs (besides the detrimental knock on effect this message will cause society) but simply that the answer is to be more stringent in vetting candidates, regulation, and procedure to minimise risk..