Ban male nursery workers?

[BluntPlumHam]

I came across this article which has left me quite sick.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cze665j2y51o.amp

Said 18 year old was newly qualified nursery worker who’d SA’d and raped 3 year olds.

Nurseries are desperate for workers and I have noticed through friends and families that there is now an increasing number of men entering the profession.

Men traditionally haven’t performed this role and I often find it difficult to envisage what attracts a male to this profession to begin with when we have so many instances of men who run away from childcare responsibilities.

Although men entering the profession can be a positive outcome the other very concerning outcome and on the potential rise is this.

Sex offenders will target this profession no doubt as it gives them easy access to children.

men are significantly more likely than women to sexually assault children.
Official statistics consistently show that the vast majority of individuals convicted of, or reported for, child sexual abuse (CSA) are male. For example:

• In the year ending March 2019, the Crime Survey for England and Wales found that 92% of adults who reported experiencing CSA said the perpetrator was male only.
• In 2022/23, almost 99% of individuals convicted of child sexual abuse offences in the UK were men.
• Reports to the Australian Royal Commission by victims and survivors of institutional abuse revealed that 93.9% of the abuse was perpetrated by an adult man.

So just a blanket ban on them all together ?

It isn’t my personal opinion but I do think we ought to have measures in place to make nurseries more secure and safer. This thread is to invite discussion.

Also, kudos to those brave little 3 year olds who had the courage to tell their parents because they’ve saved a lot of potential victims in the future. My thoughts and wishes for a life time of healing for them and theirs.

YABU - there is a lovely male nursery worker at my kids nursery. Also, what message does that send our kids that all men are so dangerous they are banned from looking after them - absolutely not!! There should be good safeguarding processes in place for all women and men in nursery settings but I actually think we should encourage men into these roles for the good of our kids growing up in a society that sees nurturing children as a cross gender job.

No way, I would allow men working in small babies place. I went with one of my daughters to visit this nursery on the back of some church near woods. There was a man there and the only nursery female was very old and looking slightly out of tune.

We are outta here, my darling, told my daughter and off we went.

Tell me how a "male" would prove his innocence?

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Go on . . .

“No male should be trusted until proven innocent” is a revolting way to view the world and a poison to feed to our children. I have very little sympathy for the “manosphere” but the sort of toxic bullshit you spouting is exactly why I worry about my son finding some aspects of it appealing as he grows up - if you tell boys that their gender is guilty until proven innocent how do you expect them to grow up as decent human beings.

So all men should.be banned from interacting or caring for children?

Shit!

Whose going to tell them they can't see their fathers anymore?

Do we fire all male teachers immediately?

My GP is a man . . . . well, we have too many Doctors anyway!

This is going to be a long list!

Exactly!

Ok but it’s basically guaranteed they they will
not speak up as babies. They wouldn’t even know it’s happening during nappy changes etc. There’s things you can do to ensure your school
age child does come to you with any issues. I recommend reading “Hold on to your kids”. Dumping babies in nurseries from 9 months old definitely won’t help building that kind of relationship with a parent where they feel completely safe to come to you with any issues. Another reason to look after your own kids rather than handing them over to childcare workers.

More misogynist tropes:

• The worst thing about male criminality is that it makes men look bad, and
• Men's behaviour is women's fault.

Nice. Noted that you're a Boy Mum who worries about her innocent mini-Nigel looking or being bad, and not holding him responsible for his own behaviour.

How well do you actually know him other than from a brief chat at drop off/pick up? It’s very easy to appear lovely on front of the parents.

The first hurdle is not being offended by safeguarding. Good men know why safeguarding is needed against bad men, and don't take it personally.

There was an article upthread that mentioned that nursery pedophiles were typically good with children, and popular with parents and colleagues.

@TJk86

What about fathers ?

If you're suggesting that men should be banned from caring for young children because those kids can't speak up, what do you suggest we do with fathers?

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So . . . would you like to answer my question?

Avoidance is a very weak position . . .

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I agree. What about all the lovely male scout leaders, priests, care workers and football coaches that have been caught. In fact, paedophiles are often the most charming and charismatic of people as an essential tool of their trade.

I'm so curious how this works in practice. Can children only go to the toilet at set times?
What happens if a child has poos their pants or needs the toilet during a meal time, or while the class is in the garden?
Is there always an additional member of staff as toileting supervisor?

Yanbu. I wouldn't ban men, but Id make a rule that they should always be supervised by a female. Its not foolproof, but its a strong protective measure.

Oh look a thread which definitely hasn't been done to death at least once a month...

But any female nursery worker could be the next Vanessa Grorge.

So yeah, all women should be supervised by a man where possible.

Do you always defy logic by being absolutely incoherent?

The OP is about male nursery workers. Not sure how you’ve extrapolated to all males. How bizarre.

Yabu. There's a fair few women that abuse children too. These sick disgusting things come in all shapes, sizes, genders and ages. I think the better solution is to ensure nursery workers always work in pairs and cannot be left alone in a room with any child.

But if male nursery workers are a risk due to being male, we have to apply the same logic to all other situations where males interact with children. If a child is unsafe around a man at nursery, they will be unsafe around men in other situations too.

Ok, so what about stopping men from becoming fathers? Because that's men around babies...

There are set times when they all go every couple of hours, but they're still allowed to go in between if needed. The nursery administrator works onsite and supervises ad hoc when necessary.

What are you talking about? How is a man in a supermarket for example going to abuse a child that’s not left under his supervision?

My problem is with small children being looked after by a stranger generally, not just men. I do think it’s suspicious though when a young man chooses a career in childcare. Wanting to be a father is common, being a male nursery male is not - it rings alarm bells for me.