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What’s my employers’ duty of care? Should I expect more?

180 replies

Sillyquestion123 · 31/10/2025 19:47

I work in a client facing role and yesterday one of clients verbally abused me. He even used swear words and it’s all recorded. I’m still shaken by the ordeal.

My manager reassured me it was not my fault, and she’d listen to the recording , but that was about it.

Im still in charge of that account until I hear otherwise.

ive never been in this situation before so I really know if should be expecting more or not.

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Glindaa · 02/11/2025 19:04

Blushingm · 02/11/2025 10:43

I’m a district nurse - in peoples homes - we’ve all been sworn at and verbally abused. It’s not nice but it happens

What do you think your employer can do about someone swearing at you over a video call - apart from warn the client?

Report him to his HR department and police .

Glindaa · 02/11/2025 19:07

Shayisgreat · 01/11/2025 14:52

I think your manager needs to make it clear to you when it is acceptable for you to end the call. If they told you that you just have to take it, you would have a point but it doesn't sound like that's what's happened.

If somebody was saying to me that I'm a failure and making personal comments about me - I'd tell them that the convo isn't productive and that they could call back another time.

I wouldn't expect my manager to do anything except reassure me that I acted appropriately. I certainly wouldn't expect them to have a talk to the customer about their behaviour. You need to assert your boundaries and figure out a way of ending calls if someone is abusive.

“I wouldn't expect my manager to do anything except reassure me that I acted appropriately”

It’s your low expectations for yourself when legally in this situation you have iron clad rights

Sillyquestion123 · 02/11/2025 19:07

Glindaa · 02/11/2025 19:03

Option C all the way. Losing the account doesn’t matter. Your biz will probably lose the account anyway by renewal given how bad the relationship is

Yes, they’ve already given notice even though we have almost a year left in the contract.

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Glindaa · 02/11/2025 19:11

ScupperedbytheSea · 02/11/2025 11:13

I am surprised by the amount of replies in here saying you should basically suck it up.

It's absolutely not acceptable for a professional to talk to another professional like that.

Yes, he's the client. He can be pissed off, and express that he's unhappy. Sure, plenty of people have to deal with that in client facing roles.

But personal, aggressive attacks? Absolutely not. That's simply nasty, aggressive bullying behaviour, designed to intimidate and humiliate.

I would expect someone from the director level team to step up to the plate and in no uncertain terms tell him it's unacceptable, ask for an apology, and terminate the contract if it didn't happen. I would also expect someone else to be put onto that contract, and calls to be supervised by someone at director level for foreseeable.

Yes, you might lose 100k contract. But in the long run you'd benefit from a stronger work culture where results are likely to be better for other clients, and ultimately could win more business.

Anything else is simply not good enough. Men like that need to be accountable for poor behaviour.

Agreed. The level of passivity, low expectations for oneself and understatement of the mans actions by PPs on this thread is ridiculous

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Jamesblonde2 · 02/11/2025 20:05

Eh, are you living and working in the Sciliy Isles and not used to negative client responses? What do you expect your manager to do?

Happens in my area of work all the time. If it’s particularly aggressive and abusive the client would be told we are not working for them.

But you sound like you don’t live in the real world.

Glindaa · 03/11/2025 06:26

Pretty sure if he spoke to a doctors receptionist or railway ticket office staff that way the police would be called.. They have zero tolerance policy for abuse

Savoury · 03/11/2025 06:41

I would think carefully about what you want to happen here. There is little chance of your company flagging it to the client’s company, and even less chance of them doing anything about it even if they did.

You could ask to stop being the contact person for the account but that affects you and not him, and also leaves another colleague to deal with him. It’s rubbish but ultimately if this man’s own company isn’t going to tackle this, yours has no chance.

I would just send an email for the record to your manager outlining in brief what happened and how you intend to deal with it in future (call meeting to a close, remind him such language isn’t appropriate etc.), which also gives him/her a chance to suggest something else.

Sillyquestion123 · 03/11/2025 07:08

Savoury · 03/11/2025 06:41

I would think carefully about what you want to happen here. There is little chance of your company flagging it to the client’s company, and even less chance of them doing anything about it even if they did.

You could ask to stop being the contact person for the account but that affects you and not him, and also leaves another colleague to deal with him. It’s rubbish but ultimately if this man’s own company isn’t going to tackle this, yours has no chance.

I would just send an email for the record to your manager outlining in brief what happened and how you intend to deal with it in future (call meeting to a close, remind him such language isn’t appropriate etc.), which also gives him/her a chance to suggest something else.

The only thing I can think of is that my managers send him an email/request in writing is that due to the indocident im never expected to be on a 1:1 call with him, and that someone from my team will always attend with me.

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Whatatodo79 · 03/11/2025 07:14

Glindaa · 02/11/2025 19:11

Agreed. The level of passivity, low expectations for oneself and understatement of the mans actions by PPs on this thread is ridiculous

Unfortunately sucking up this kind of awful is exactly what is expected in the public sector and the everyday experience of people in low wage jobsf

Ilovehighlandcows · 03/11/2025 07:19

Sillyquestion123 · 31/10/2025 20:08

Well I mean he used the “c word”, fuck, shit and berated me and told me I was beyond useless.

I can't believe posters saying to put up with it!

Even years ago working in a supermarket when this happened, the person would get thrown out the shop and banned.

This client should be un-cliented!

Seelybe · 03/11/2025 07:40

@Sillyquestion123 obviously this is unacceptable behaviour. You've stated the solution early on, which is to point out calmly at the time that this isn't acceptable so you need to end the call now and resume when the person in question is able to do so without swearing at you.
Assuming you have some seniority and responsibility by now, you have been very sheltered / fortunate if you've not encountered anything like this before.
Treat it as a learning experience that won't happen again because you will be better equipped to take control and shut it down should it reoccur.
It's not bullying or harassment as a one off. You've reported it and honestly to keep pursuing it further is basically dog at a bone.

Sillyquestion123 · 03/11/2025 08:13

Seelybe · 03/11/2025 07:40

@Sillyquestion123 obviously this is unacceptable behaviour. You've stated the solution early on, which is to point out calmly at the time that this isn't acceptable so you need to end the call now and resume when the person in question is able to do so without swearing at you.
Assuming you have some seniority and responsibility by now, you have been very sheltered / fortunate if you've not encountered anything like this before.
Treat it as a learning experience that won't happen again because you will be better equipped to take control and shut it down should it reoccur.
It's not bullying or harassment as a one off. You've reported it and honestly to keep pursuing it further is basically dog at a bone.

i am senior, but it’s just fairly uncommon.

sure I’ve read very uncomfortable things (like graphic death reports and a suicidal letter that still lives rent free in my head) but as much as many clients have been beyond frustrated (because they’re a very big chunk of the time!) They’ve always been able to separate the company from the person in front of them and it’s always been in a confrontational but professional manner- to that I’m more than used to!

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OnlyFangs · 03/11/2025 08:16

When this happened to me (but admittedly it wasn't a client it was lawyer on the other side) the head of my department made a complaint to the head of his department.
I suspect it wasn't the first complaint and within a week he was no longer working there

It's disappointing people suggesting this is just something you have to deal with. It absolutely shouldn't be.

ScaryM0nster · 03/11/2025 09:18

Do you have an employee assistance program?

If you do, it might be worth getting in touch with them for some support.

This has clearly had a significant impact on you, and some help processing it might be useful to you.

Sillyquestion123 · 03/11/2025 09:58

ScaryM0nster · 03/11/2025 09:18

Do you have an employee assistance program?

If you do, it might be worth getting in touch with them for some support.

This has clearly had a significant impact on you, and some help processing it might be useful to you.

No we don’t, I might have access from a previous company

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Glindaa · 03/11/2025 12:43

ScaryM0nster · 03/11/2025 09:18

Do you have an employee assistance program?

If you do, it might be worth getting in touch with them for some support.

This has clearly had a significant impact on you, and some help processing it might be useful to you.

I think OP needs justice, not support

coldiris · 03/11/2025 12:46

I had a similar situation at work few years ago. Our leadership made a complaint to the client's leadership and told them they didn't think it was acceptable to either shout or be rude to our people because everyone is an adult and if there are any issues, everyone can discuss them in a calm and rational manner and work on addressing them. They were pretty adamant that being disrespectful wasn't an option even if we were the service provider who was paid for the service.

ScaryM0nster · 03/11/2025 14:56

Glindaa · 03/11/2025 12:43

I think OP needs justice, not support

They’re not mutually exclusive, or substitutable.

Glindaa · 03/11/2025 15:24

ScaryM0nster · 03/11/2025 14:56

They’re not mutually exclusive, or substitutable.

Just find it strange that response is to tell PP to get MH support rather than get justice. This isn’t an OP problem , it’s the abuser problem & he needs to be held accountable

Glindaa · 03/11/2025 15:27

Sillyquestion123 · 03/11/2025 07:08

The only thing I can think of is that my managers send him an email/request in writing is that due to the indocident im never expected to be on a 1:1 call with him, and that someone from my team will always attend with me.

Why such a low expectation for yourself ? Why not seek justice?

ScaryM0nster · 03/11/2025 16:30

Glindaa · 03/11/2025 15:24

Just find it strange that response is to tell PP to get MH support rather than get justice. This isn’t an OP problem , it’s the abuser problem & he needs to be held accountable

Actually, I’ve made a very sensible suggestion on how their employer could address the situation.

Ive also then identified that the OP is feeling the emotional impact of the event. The other person getting told their behaviour isn’t acceptable doesn’t alter what the OP experienced. And given the OP is struggling, then suggesting somewhere that could get support with that seemed sensible.

Sillyquestion123 · 04/11/2025 07:00

Glindaa · 03/11/2025 15:27

Why such a low expectation for yourself ? Why not seek justice?

Because justice comes at a cost to my employer, and they’re not willing to lose that £££.

it’s not ideal but I also understand the business decision.

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Glittertwins · 05/11/2025 12:58

A £100k account is pretty small change (dinInread that right from earlier). Surely you can’t be thought of that badly in your organisation and your company does have a duty of care to protect against abuse wherever it comes from. Paying an invoice does not allow someone to treat a supplier this way.