A genuine question for royalists.

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I am a republican. I believe that absolute power can only end in disaster. Trump appears to want absolute power. Boris Johnson tried it (proroguing of parliament, amongst other things.)
Please can you tell me why you think (ignoring the Windsors self-destructive present tendencies), having a head of state who is in position only by accident of birth is a good thing?

Ha ha ha. Good one.

I honestly think "republicans" and people who bleat on and on about the monarchy need to refocus on some of the country's actual problems and stop thinking getting rid of the monarchy will solve everything. It won't. Not by a long shot. And it's existence doesn't even make the top 50 of Urgent Things That Need Fixing In The UK.
They're just a rich deluded family that dominate the news because it makes money for other rich people. That's it in a nutshell really. Their biggest danger is the focus they take off more important things.

I kind of agree with this, actually. They aren't that important and I don't think that getting rid of them would especially solve anything. However, I would like to see them drastically slimmed down, and also if Charles dies within the next few years, there certainly shouldn't be such a big deal made of his funeral or of William's coronation.

Just ignore them FFS.

Then come back and deal with them another time when the real issues have been dealt with

I wouldn’t call myself a Royalist, but the RF don’t have absolute power - the King is a head of state of a constitutional monarchy, reigns not rules. I’m happy with this hereditary monarchy because I like traditions that go back a thousand years (as I get older I’m increasingly small c conservative - I stood in our town marketplace place where forebears have been standing for centuries to hear the proclaimation of the ascension of Charles III). The RF are also staggeringly good for the economy.

I honestly think "republicans" and people who bleat on and on about the monarchy need to refocus on some of the country's actual problems and stop thinking getting rid of the monarchy will solve everything. It won't. Not by a long shot. And its existence doesn't even make the top 50 of Urgent Things That Need Fixing In The UK.

Not sure I agree, I think the concept of Royals/aristocrats does feed into our class system, inequality, disparity between wealth & income etc which are things that do hinder growth.

You do you, but why anyone would fangirl over her is beyond my ken. She is so mediocre.

They are all so blah, I would be more of a fan if they were a bit more interesting, had an actual impact.

Most people can carry more than one thought at a time in their head about ‘important things’.

It is complacent to think generational power, prestige and wealth gathering does not have wider implications for society as a whole.

It is complacent to think generational power, prestige and wealth gathering does not have wider implications for society as a whole.

it's a really odd view imo

I said not all. Prince Andrew is a twat. But our late Queen was a dedicated public servant and spent her whole time as monarch dedicated to serving the country.

So would I if someone featherbedded every single waking moment of my existence and gave me twenty-seven castles

We can do both love. We can get rid of this parasitic family AND also worry about other things simultaneously.

They been protecting a sex offender and rapist for YEARS.

@LoopedLooped

You have a fair bit of cognitive dissonance going on there.

Take the single issue of Andrew- Elizabeth protected Andrew despite being told repeatedly about all his abuses not just the Epstein ones. She used our money to pay off his accuser . She issued a statement smearing Virginia Guiffre in 2019 based on no evidence whatsoever!

She enriched herself and her family off the backs of the people . She excluded them from laws the rest of us must follow

She was not the person the propaganda sells

Me too, I volunteer as tribute! Send me in, I’ll dedicate the rest of my life to living in massive houses, surrounded by staff and kowtowing fans and cut a few ribbons to some leisure centres.

And I promise I won’t use tax payers money to silence victims of sexual violence, or any violence.

He gets to advise because he is the Monarch, the King of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. It's a constitutional convention.

I've not asked you to describe the system. My question was "why?" Why is this accidental appointee the best person to advise?

The monarch can offer perspective and/or guide but the PM isn't obliged to take the advice.

Why should the monarch offer his perspective rather than you or me offering our perspective? When do I get my go?

It's institutional memory and experience he's seen decades of governments come and go.

I've seen decades of government come and go (and I haven't been insulated from the effects of government through immense financial privilege)

The monarchy anchors the political system as well

Again, you're just describing the system, not justifying it

As they are outside party politics.

I am outside party politics. When will I get my go?

I do not. I understand the Andrew-Epstein thing is a horrible stain on the Royal Family. Charles is doing the right thing by ostracizing Andrew.

I find no evidence a statement from 2019 exists. In 2015 they made a statement saying they categorically denied the crimes.

I did some research the FOI request shows that no public funds were used for this. The queen did contribute a bit out of her own money and the Andrew relied on his wealth and loans. Andrews a despicable human being and what Charles is doing is correct.

The Queen served us for many decades working tirelessly into her 90s. Many people miss her. All the republican whining will have no relevance as we continue to have the monarchy.

Long Live the King

I did give you the reasons why. He's witnessed politics and history directly and up close. He's legally politically neutral and he has to be. He has confidential state papers which we don't have.

You and I, we do not provide institutional continuity. The monarchy is a non political constant that acts as a stabiliser. I wish King Charles very well and long may he reign!

It is not like Charles and co are Britain's best and brightest. I reckon me and my family (decades of public service between us) would do a better job. And a lot cheaper, too. I'd only ask for 10 castles. You can sell off the others and use the money for hospitals.

@LoopedLooped

You didn’t search very well then did you ?

After Andrew’s BBC lie fest Buckingham Palace issued a statement saying that the allegations against Andrew were ‘ "false and without any foundation’
The date was Nov 2019

On what did the Windsors base this blanket statement that the allegations were ‘false’?

Now Charles has acknowledged the allegations are true - after a decade of protecting Andrew .

The Windsors had known about Andrew and Epstein for at least a decade at this point . But they thought - get the official lines to issue a statement and see if that shuts plebs up.

It didn’t obviously .
The latest wheeze of paying Andrew off will also not work

@LoopedLooped

Oh and FYI the Windsors are not subject to FOI requests - they made sure of that - so I don’t know what you think you were looking at

I'm not a royalist as such , but I'm OK with the King as head of state. I come from a country with an elected president, and I don't think in my lifetime there was anyone elected for more than one mandate, or who hasn't had a whiff of scandal and corruption attached to them. And when they are shown up as idiots on the world scene, that reflects badly on the people who elected them. Compared to that, a king provides continuity, no allegiance to a political party, no incentive to grab as much as they can before they are voted off, and no real power. To me, it works.

So what happens when you get someone eminently unsuitable like Andrew as your king?

@FuckRealityBringMeABook

And Andrew is STILL in his place in the line of succession!

So all the moving him off to a different mansion and removing ‘prince’ has done the square root of nothing

@LoopedLooped

The King won't 'live long'.