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A genuine question for royalists.

218 replies

Tutorpuzzle · 31/10/2025 11:45

I am a republican. I believe that absolute power can only end in disaster. Trump appears to want absolute power. Boris Johnson tried it (proroguing of parliament, amongst other things.)
Please can you tell me why you think (ignoring the Windsors self-destructive present tendencies), having a head of state who is in position only by accident of birth is a good thing?

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Tutorpuzzle · 31/10/2025 15:10

A civil war and interregnum are definitely something I don’t want repeated, but I think democracy has moved on a bit (even the Diggers might approve to a degree!) in the last 400 years.

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CatHairEveryWhereNow · 31/10/2025 15:21

Tutorpuzzle · 31/10/2025 15:03

Totally agree, @CatHairEveryWhereNow , but my question on this particular thread was why do monarchists agree so wholeheartedly with an hereditary head of state? (Chesterton’s Fence?).
My views are on the table, clearly, but ultimately I believe in respectful debate and not shouting into an echo chamber.
As for realistic alternatives, people do talk a lot about the Irish system of government and that’s certainly something I shall endeavour to find more about, but I think that’s for a different thread.

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Because it is the status quo in this country and no-one showed them anything substantially better for this country (yet).

That true I think for monachists - it's what they know and apparently love - and true for many more people like me not really royalist but very much not republicans.

sosorryimnotsorry · 31/10/2025 15:32

I think as a Brit it is easy to underestimate how the royal family and the monarch is viewed by the rest of the world. We sort of take for granted the soft power that they hold. The monarch holds next to no power politically and are neutral. But they do hold a level of consistency and continuity for the country. The Queen for example was the consistent through 15 prime ministers. Whilst being politically neutral she was the consistent confidant throughout. I don’t think the power of that symbolically should be underestimated.

Marmaladelover · 31/10/2025 15:45

Because if we didn’t, we might end up with either Simon Cowell or Tony Blair ( voting British public ) - not sure who would be worse!

I used to think the Irish used to choose. Presidents well but the latest was much more political and I don’t like her politics or gender views . Don’t think you can really get a non political president tbf.

FuckRealityBringMeABook · 31/10/2025 15:49

But they do hold a level of consistency and continuity for the country. The Queen for example was the consistent through 15 prime ministers.

This is a bit disingenuous given Charles is not likely to be on the throne for more than a decade at most.

snowlaser · 31/10/2025 15:52

FuckRealityBringMeABook · 31/10/2025 15:49

But they do hold a level of consistency and continuity for the country. The Queen for example was the consistent through 15 prime ministers.

This is a bit disingenuous given Charles is not likely to be on the throne for more than a decade at most.

Charles is already on his 3rd Prime Minister. If he reigns for 10 years (2032) he looks likely to see at least 1 more. If Reform win that means the government would have seen three different parties in power during his reign.

So whatever your political views the monarchy is for sure more stable.

EuclidianGeometryFan · 31/10/2025 16:18

Tutorpuzzle · 31/10/2025 12:08

Well, semantics aside, @JamesClyman , you’ve not really answered my question. Why do you think ‘it’s the finest system of government ever devised?’.

And, as a republican, I’ve often thought perhaps we don’t need a separate head of state at all.

Your answer is rather aggressive. Plenty of people are asking these sorts of questions at the moment. And not all politicians are second rate.

The advantage of the separate head of state is that it means the prime minister is not it. It keeps the PM out of the 'top' role. It keeps grubby self-serving politicians out of the dignity and ceremony of state occasions.
People who want power and status are usually the least fit to have it.
Yes, not all politicians are "second-rate", but we don't want a politician in what is essentially a non-political role.

EuclidianGeometryFan · 31/10/2025 16:22

coldiris · 31/10/2025 13:19

Definitely against any unelected power in any sort of sense.

Which is why having a hereditary monarch and royal family is great - as long as they don't actually have any political power.

It stops anyone else getting into the role of head of state and trying to exercise power (e.g. Cromwell).

Tutorpuzzle · 31/10/2025 16:32

The trouble @EuclidianGeometryFan , is when those who do hold hereditary positions of state become ‘grubby and self serving’. The late queen’s lobbying of the Scottish govt to avoid environmental rules and charges, very dodgy cash donations to Charles’ charities, tax avoidance strategies, treatment of tenants on Duchy estates. It just goes on and on…before we even start on the alleged cover up’s surrounding Andrew. And we can’t vote them out.

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EuclidianGeometryFan · 31/10/2025 16:41

Tutorpuzzle · 31/10/2025 16:32

The trouble @EuclidianGeometryFan , is when those who do hold hereditary positions of state become ‘grubby and self serving’. The late queen’s lobbying of the Scottish govt to avoid environmental rules and charges, very dodgy cash donations to Charles’ charities, tax avoidance strategies, treatment of tenants on Duchy estates. It just goes on and on…before we even start on the alleged cover up’s surrounding Andrew. And we can’t vote them out.

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That is for government to sort out, not a reason to abolish monarchy.
Lobbying should be ignored, tax rules tightened, Duchy estates abolished, etc.. All within parliament's power.

If a monarch is considered totally unsuitable, they can be "forced to abdicate" by parliament, e.g. Edward 8th.

RapunzelHadExtensions · 31/10/2025 16:47

What I hate is when it's reported as 'Charles will pay for Andrew to be moved to Sandringham' for example. I always think - 'Urrr... No, WE will'.

LolWhotzit · 31/10/2025 17:04

ExpressCheckout · 31/10/2025 14:01

Bless. The monarchy didn’t loot the nation, they just inherited a few castles and a lifetime of being publicly admonished by people who think reading one Guardian article makes them constitutional experts.

Enjoy your day Flowers

That's a weirdly rude and lazy assumption to make about my post.

Fifthtimelucky · 31/10/2025 17:08

KoiTetra · 31/10/2025 12:19

My view on why I prefer monarchy over republic:

  1. I do not trust anyone who chooses to put themselves forward for a position with that much power and prestige - Those born into the role with no choice are in my view more likely to put the nation before self interest.
  2. The royal family contribute economically to the UK. It is hard to find exact figures but the majority of studies agree that the royal family are net contributors to the UK economy via tourism etc. Yes people would still come to see palaces etc without them but not on the same scale, you will never convince me that there will be as much interest in a historic relic as there is in a working palace.
  3. I do not trust the British public to vote for anyone decent. Look at our history of MP's and PM's they are shocking, the general public are shocking at picking leaders.
  4. As Trump has shown an elected leader with enough support and desire can override checks and balances and take more and more power. How would republicans (who as a generalisation tend to be left wing / left leaning) feel if Farage was voted in as President and begun to dismantle the checks put in to limit his power?
  5. I agree with your statement absolute power results in disaster, this is why our current system works. The King has very little real power.

I think there are some very good points here.

If we were starting from scratch, a monarchy is not what I would expect us to come up with, but we are not starting from scratch and, on the whole, I think our present arrangements do us pretty well.

I feel a similar way about The House of Lords.

AliceMaforethought · 31/10/2025 21:15

YorkshireGoldDrinker · 31/10/2025 12:28

If you want a Republic, it's probably a good time to see what happened in Nepal recently. France is also a good place to look, they're on their 6th Republic.

Some people in the Royal Family are entitled sleazebags, but you have to admit there has been no such instability.

To even consider doing away with a constitutional monarch like that of what we have is to erase thousands of years of history. When Tony Blair came along, he stripped as much as he could to European-ise us, and now we have David Lammy.....

I prefer stability, I'm a Royalist, plus Princess Catherine is gorgeous.

Just my two pennies.

What on earth does Princess Catherine being (in your opinion, not mine!) 'gorgeous' have to do with anything!?

AliceMaforethought · 31/10/2025 21:16

Nobody has given a single good argument for the Monarchy. I hope to see it gone in my lifetime. Bunch of mediocre grifters.

Bedheadbeachbum · 31/10/2025 22:21

I think we forget the powerful effect our monarchy has in other countries which helps us out. The way Trump views the monarchy is useful to us for example and King Charles used that recently to assist good relations with them on his recent visit. Look at how just how much the Queen was regarded and mourned worldwide.

They are an asset, we can't always see that because we are too close them But they have this global effect.

I love that we have a royal family - we've had Kings and Queen's going back to Saxon times, this is our heritage and history in front of us and part of our national identity.

WhiteCold · 31/10/2025 22:26

I don't think there would be much difference if the country became a republic. The royals hardly interfere with everyday matters so they.

FuckRealityBringMeABook · 01/11/2025 07:08

They do. They meddle with laws all the time behind the scenes to get themselves nice little exemptions from things like environmental and equality legislation. Us plebs just aren't told about it.

thepariscrimefiles · 01/11/2025 08:17

Most of the time, even people with republican tendencies don't really give the Royal Family much thought. It's only when there are scandals that are impossible to ignore that people begin wondering whether there are better options than a heriditary monarchy.

For people brought up on fairy tales, the reality of our Royal Family is always going to be a disappoinment as they seem to lack beauty, brains, generosity and kindness. Their sense of entitlemen is off the charts, particularly with Andrew (formerly known as Prince) and the anecdotes about him in Andrew Lownie's book 'Entitled' are jaw dropping. You could probably pull a random person off the streets and they would be better than Andrew.

Donald Trump has been elected but is behaving in his second term as though he has the 'divine right of Kings' and whatever checks and balances exist in the USA to prevent the slide into dictatorship, they aren't working.

I can't see any moves to get rid of our inherited monarchy any time soon as there is no obviously better system to replace them.

ChineseSpymaster · 01/11/2025 08:31

I wouldn’t describe myself as an ardent ‘Royalist’ as such but I prefer our system over others for exactly the reason you give (although not sure you intended it this way?)

Trump appears to want absolute power. Boris Johnson tried it (proroguing of parliament, amongst other things.)

Kpo58 · 01/11/2025 08:42

AliceMaforethought · 31/10/2025 21:16

Nobody has given a single good argument for the Monarchy. I hope to see it gone in my lifetime. Bunch of mediocre grifters.

Noone has given a good reason not to have a monarchy either.

It is frighteningly easy for a president to be voted in, amend the laws and become a dictator for life making sure that other parties don't come into power.

YorkshireGoldDrinker · 01/11/2025 08:54

AliceMaforethought · 31/10/2025 21:15

What on earth does Princess Catherine being (in your opinion, not mine!) 'gorgeous' have to do with anything!?

I'm allowed to fangirl a bit, and she is our future Queen. Sorry if that pains you, but it is what it is.

Lifecouldbeadreamsweetheart · 01/11/2025 09:02

Tutorpuzzle · 31/10/2025 11:45

I am a republican. I believe that absolute power can only end in disaster. Trump appears to want absolute power. Boris Johnson tried it (proroguing of parliament, amongst other things.)
Please can you tell me why you think (ignoring the Windsors self-destructive present tendencies), having a head of state who is in position only by accident of birth is a good thing?

It's not a good thing. But it's better than the alternatives, IMO.

It's always easy to point out flaws, of which there are many to do with hereditary monarchy. But it's harder to design a better system. The Americans tried it, and haven't been without their problems.

nomas · 01/11/2025 09:05

JamesClyman · 31/10/2025 11:57

They are not Head of State by an "accident of birth". They are Head of State because Parliament says so. Go and google the "Act of Settlement".

Then, as a republican, explain to me how anyone is one whit better off by having the Head of State elected in some way. Either it would be from a bunch of second rate politicians, which is generally the way in most republics, or directly voted for by the electorate and given real powers that no UK sovereign has exercised since the Middle Ages?

IMO a constitutional monarchy is the finest system of government ever devised (an opinion the Netherlands, Spain and the Scandinavian countries, among others, seem to share).

The individuals may need to change (we got rid of the Stuarts, and Edward VIII after all), but I cannot see any system, anywhere - with the possible exception of the Irish Republic - that is any better.

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How does the monarchy add to the government? And how is the constitutional monarchy the finest?

Sadcafe · 01/11/2025 09:08

Our head of state, i.e. the King, has no powers over the running of the country, unlike Presidents elsewhere, really unsure why republicans feel a potential megalomaniac is a better option

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