A 1p / 2p raise to income tax should lawfully trigger a general election

[TesChique]

There are vague promises in manifestos, and there are those which are explicit and should be binding except in exceptional circumstances (war etc)

If labour, or any party reneges on a core manifesto promise it should lawfully trigger a general election

They have lied to the public.

AIBU to think we need to see this change in law?

Nonsense.

The sooner we are rid of them, the better

Any government that comes after will have to raise taxes. Taxes are only going to keep increasing & public services will keep declining.

Is there an echo in here?

Shame that Labour are no different. It has all been disappointing. But it’s not a reason to call a general election.

same old same old - it doesn’t matter who is in charge.

Reeves apologises for her mistake if it had been one of us we would have been bollocked and fined.

And raising taxes isn't the answer.

5 Billion on migrant hotels.

7 Billion on Aid

300 Billion on the NHS

60 Billion on the Armed Forces

And they want to tax us more to raise 40 Billion🤔

There are plenty of areas that could be cut to find that money.

Can you say why France is facing issues?

Same. I didn't expect everything to be solved in 18 months, that would be impossible. But what I didn't expect was that things would get so much worse. My NHS team has recruitment freezes and a 5% cut in budget for first time in 10 years I have been there, and the primary I am governor for has had a 10 real term budget cut in past 18 months. The council my husband works for is on verge of bankruptcy for first time in many years. Inflation is high, mortgage rates are high, no financial growth. The way out of this mess is financial growth, reduced unemployment. Putting up taxes will have the opposite effect.
I can deal with having less money and better services, or even more money and slightly less good services. But labour have acheived the own goal of people having less money and poorer services

This just demonstrates the main problem with democracy - people vote en masse for fantasies and then get upset when reality bites, but instead of accepting reality, some people want a chance to vote for even more outrageous fantasies.

I think this is the crux of it.

If you really want to know read their plan. But of course you don't want to know since there will be some self-interest about money coming form the state.

ReformUKOurContractwith_You.pdf

Can you say why France is facing issues?

Tbf if France put their pension age to 68 like us some of their problems will be alleviated.

I'd be surprised if we even get a pension at this rate, it certainly won't be as lucrative as it is now for this generation of pensioners.

It annoys me that working people are continuing to be squeezed when the out-of-control welfare system, illegal immigrants and pensions are left alone. It is SO wrong. A tax rise will be horrid for our household, as our budget is already tight.

It simply isn't fair.

Is there an echo in here?

perhaps in your head? Any more valuable contributions?

Id consider myself a middle earner and I'd happily pay a bit more tax in order to have functioning NHS, social care and education systems.

Labour probably shouldn't have made that promise, but they're no worse than any other party in that respect. I do think raising taxes is the only way to ensure our public services actually work.

Id consider myself a middle earner and I'd happily pay a bit more tax in order to have functioning NHS, social care and education systems

A 2p increase will not result in a functional NHS and social care system, it's not enough money.

And as for education, the birth rates are having a huge impact on due to the current funding model.

Go for it. I'd you'd happily pay more you can. Just make a voluntary contribution. If enough of the people who "say they would be happy" to do that do then the Government problems are solved.

You can make yourself happy today!

Brown wrecked private pensions once before, I wouldn't be at all suprised if labour go for them again unfortunately.
And state pensions for most will become a thing of the past I expect.

A 2p increase will not result in a functional NHS and social care system, it's not enough money.

It's surely better than nothing though?

It hasn't been 'done to death'; it is mentioned to put current situation in context.
14 years of neglect is a long time.

The rise in income tax is inevitable and is a direct consequence of Brexit and COVID. We always knew that - it was well documented and discussed at the time. I’m only surprised it hasn't happened sooner.

What are Labour doing bar hammering growth via taxes?

But I don't mind paying an extra penny in the pound tax if there is someone competent spending it to sort current issues.

Reeves is literally clueless. My 17yo son could do better. She's so incompetent she's embarrassing.

The problem is/was that the EU and the ECHR etc etc are extra levels of government/administration that this country and the world does not need.

We have enough already

I'll presume that's a rhetorical question....

Many of us already do. For example our primary is propped up by voluntary donations from parents to fill the black hole in government education funding.

Which creates a very 2 tier system- the average yearly voluntary donation at the state secondary we are hoping DD1 is going to next year is around 1k per child. Some parents are giving much more. It's a grammar in an affluent area and parents can afford this much more easily than I'm other areas, where parents can't give much.

Well, our armed forces are not capable of overseas deployment, and have no business doing so. First reasonable cut would be to the Army. Keep a small local defence force, nothing more. Get rid of the RAF, they are of no practical use and are not operationally significant anymore. Get rid of the Majority of the Royal Navy, they should be a small coastal defence force, thats all. We dont need aircraft carriers. Keep Trident as the ultimate deterrent.

That would free up about 40 Billion.

The NHS needs to be reduced significantly. The waste is verging on criminal. We could easily shave 20 Billion and keep the same level of services. But the whole concept needs to be reformed. We simply can't afford it anymore.

So that's 60 Billion for a start.