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AIBU to stop calling my brother & abandon my relationship with his kids?

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CollsR · 27/10/2025 18:07

My brother lives in the US and is married with three kids (aged 10, 8 & 6). I usually call him 2-5 times a month, on weekends, to video chat with his kids. He rarely (if ever) calls me. I don't keep him for too long, usually 10-20mins. Sometimes longer, sometimes shorter. For many months now, he's been answering less often, and I've been calling less often. I've only was able to speak to the kids about once a month or less in the last 6 months. We use FB messenger to communicate. Sometimes when he didn’t answer he'd reply later in the day & explain (we are at a park etc) but never said when would be a good time to call. I replied in August to say to feel free to call me when not busy. I didn't do it with judgement, but if he's more busy it makes sense he chooses the time of any calls. He never called, not once.

The last time I called & he answered he said (without irony) that his youngest was just asking after my son and me, and asking why she hasn't seen us in a while. That was more than a month ago. My calls the last two weekends were not answered & no messages received. I'm really hurt and upset by this but I think I just give-up. I'm sorry to lose contact with the kids but I feel like there is little I can do. AIBU to stop calling and just leave things.

I thought of trying via his wife, but while she is lovely when I visit she never calls me or answers my calls. She rarely even reads FB messages. And when I call my brother she rarely speaks to me. She's always busy arranging something or doesn't have her make-up on (I never wear makeup so don't care, but she does it seems). For a year I would always do a group call to my brother and his wife, and his wife never picked up the call, only my brother sometimes answered

I'm a working mum with a toddler and a partner who runs his own business, so I am busy too. But I make time for Family. My husband's family are all busy, some work 2 jobs, some work 7 days and they all have children also. But my husband's family finds time to call and message directly to me, as well as call my husband and chat to me also. My SIL via my husband talk to me with or without makeup on. We don't care!

For some background, there is an issue with our mother. I cut contact with her 8 years ago for narcisistic behaviour (long before it was fashionable, lol). My brother is the golden child and doesn't see any problem with perfect, victim dear Mummy. He rarely wants to talk about it, but when he decides to bring it up he blames me. I tried to build a good relationship with him but it doesn't seem to work. He mostly just hands the phone to the kids & never asks me much & doesn't respond much. He also only answers when his kids are around and won't go somewhere private. A few years ago when our Dad was seriously unwell I wanted to speak privately. He said I can talk about Dad maybe dying in front of his kids (then aged about 4, 6 & 8). I refused and was horrified he behaved like that. I call on or before the kids' birthdays. I post birthday & Christmas presents to all 3 kids each year. When I talked about cutting back and sending cards with a bit of cash I was told the kids love my gifts. This year when my son turned one I was busy celebrating with my husbands family, but realised a few months later that my brother didn't message or call to wish my son a happy birthday. And there was no present in the post. He didn't even comment on or like the Facebook post I made wishing my son Happy Birthday. At least my SIL liked the post.

AIBU to just stop calling all together and basically abandon my relationship with my brother's kids?

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TheatricalLife · 27/10/2025 18:12

YANBU.
He's just not interested beyond the gifts you send unfortunately. The relationship has drifted due to distance, and while that is somewhat natural, it's unacceptable for him to keep expecting the monetary stuff to be kept up while not bothering about the contact.
I'd leave it and see if he bothers to make any form of contact. If not, stick a card in the post at Christmas and for birthdays and keep it at that.

lnks · 27/10/2025 18:14

I’d stop with the calls now. It’s hard, but he clearly doesn’t want a relationship with you on the same level that you do, and you can’t force that.

Has anything happened in the past that has affected your relationship?

PastaAllaNorma · 27/10/2025 18:20

Only put in as much effort as you want to, because your brother has shown he won't be responding. If you enjoy contact with your nephews or nieces, no need to cut your nose off to spite your face.

However, if it's become a chore, just drop the rope. I'd stop the birthday presents either way.

Minnie798 · 27/10/2025 18:36

It sounds like he has chosen to 'side' with mum and as a result isn't really interested in maintaining a relationship with you.
It's not unreasonable to stop calling him.

GreenCandleWax · 27/10/2025 18:39

At such a distance you don't really know what is going on in his life. There may be a problem or issue that is preoccupying him. Or he may just not be willing to put the effort in to maintaining the relationship.
In situations like this there is a lot to be said for writing to him - even an actual letter that he can see and handle. If you care about him and the relationship, express that and your wish to make and keep a link with his DC. You could say you are concerned that there maybe something bothering him, and you risk drifting apart. Ask him outright. If there is some simmering resentment towards you, its better out in the open. If not he will care that you cared enough to ask.

WhatNoRaisins · 27/10/2025 18:41

I think some people are very out of sight out of mind and can't do relationships over distance. Could this be the case here?

TalulahJP · 27/10/2025 18:50

I’d ring him again on Friday (Halloween’s a good excuse to see the kids outfits)

if he doesn’t answer I’d message on Sunday (to give him time to respond if they e been out at events) to say along the lines of

Happy Halloween! Seems a while since we caught up. I guess youre very busy but I miss speaking with you all. I always seem to ring at a bad time when you’re out!!

Would it be easier if we set aside ten minutes for a chat on say the first day of the month or something? Or, as you never seem to initiate a phone call , are you just too busy and I should give up?! If we don’t make the effort we will lose touch.

I will leave it up to you to give me a shout but I’m always happy to chat with any of you and I do miss the kids. Phone me when it’s convenient :-)

CollsR · 27/10/2025 19:42

lnks · 27/10/2025 18:14

I’d stop with the calls now. It’s hard, but he clearly doesn’t want a relationship with you on the same level that you do, and you can’t force that.

Has anything happened in the past that has affected your relationship?

Yes. I went no contact with our mother and he doesn’t understand that. (Not that he’s ever asked about it.) That was 8 years ago. I’ve done my best to maintain a relationship & would explain if he wanted but he doesn’t want to hear it.

Ive been maintaining the contact mostly to stay close to his kids. Last we spoke one asked if she could come to my home & why she hasn’t spoken to me in a while. The kids are engaged with me. I visited them one a year until recently.

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CollsR · 27/10/2025 19:46

Thanks for the replies. I like the direct approach. Truthfully I’m a bit scared to use it in case he gets offended. I’m also sad my son doesn’t get any love from my brother. His wife has commented (when I visited when my son was 9 months) and said he’s better with older kids. I didn’t tell her but I don’t think that acceptable. My husband spent 6 days alone & just working & missing our son & me. I went alone on a flight with a 9 month old. My brother should have made some effort.

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CollsR · 27/10/2025 19:48

I hear the comments about “just send a card”. I have 2025 Xmas gifts already bought (cheaper than usual though).

Maybe I’ll send letters in the cards in future. Something on behalf of my son & husband & me.

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CollsR · 27/10/2025 19:50

Worry my nieces & nephew will think I changed or don’t care. I can’t do much if thier parents don’t answer calls. I will always have love for them & be here. Maybe just a low contact few years.

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Ellerby · 27/10/2025 19:56

You call them every weekend? To have a 20 minute chat? Blimey. I don't talk that much with my brother and his family in the UK 😆

Ellerby · 27/10/2025 19:59

CollsR · 27/10/2025 19:46

Thanks for the replies. I like the direct approach. Truthfully I’m a bit scared to use it in case he gets offended. I’m also sad my son doesn’t get any love from my brother. His wife has commented (when I visited when my son was 9 months) and said he’s better with older kids. I didn’t tell her but I don’t think that acceptable. My husband spent 6 days alone & just working & missing our son & me. I went alone on a flight with a 9 month old. My brother should have made some effort.

I didn’t tell her but I don’t think that acceptable. My husband spent 6 days alone & just working & missing our son & me. I went alone on a flight with a 9 month old. My brother should have made some effort.

You seem weirdly intense, and determined that your brother should behave in a way that you approve of. And you are also somehow criticising him for your husband being lonely without you, on a trip that you chose to make?

Also, nine month old babies are boring.

NattyKnitter116 · 27/10/2025 20:06

It’s really hard when one has cut contact and the other sibling judges you for it. I’m in this situation but my kid and nephew are adults so I just have my own relationship with them. I would say keep in touch but do it via cards with a letter in. It’s likely your mother is poisoning the well as it were and there is little you can do about that while she is still alive. Sometimes these things can resolve once the narc is no longer about to drip poison, I’ve seen it happen. It can go the other way too, but you have little control over that, it’s up to your brother. Just stay friendly and stay in touch with cards and letters for the kids. Maybe a virtual gift card for their birthdays which they will like once they are older. Good luck, I know how hard it is.

Plugsocketrocket · 27/10/2025 20:11

I think it is pretty typical of these family dynamics. Where there is dysfunction it often carries through generations. Really the siblings almost cannot be expected to get on because the parents who are supposed to be modelling healthy relationships simply have no concept of them.

I’m in a similar situation and I get one message a year, if that, from one of my brothers and that is it. I send gifts for my godchildren but I don’t expect anything back from any of them.

The family dynamics have soured relationships and that is not easily fixable. It is very sad though.

lnks · 27/10/2025 20:19

I think I understand why the OP might come across as a bit intense. Losing a relationship with your mother is a huge emotional loss, it’s one of the most important relationships a person can have. From my own experience, that kind of loss leaves a real void, and it can make you cling more tightly to other family relationships because you’re trying to hold on to whatever sense of connection and stability you have left.

minipie · 27/10/2025 20:32

I do think you’re expecting a bit much.

He has three primary age kids - weekends will be manic. You have one baby (or toddler now). So you probably have a lot more spare time. You also don’t have contact with your mum but he does - so he has double the family to call/receive calls from that you do. Add in a different time zone and I can see why a weekly call is difficult for him to fit in.

And then add in a major difference of opinion about your childhood and view of your mum… including perhaps implied criticism of him for being “golden child” and not seeing the issues. Plus perhaps resentment that you’ve gone NC and thereby left all elderly parent maintenance to him. I can see why he doesn’t feel that close to you.

You say you make time for Family - as if it’s a duty. Many people don’t feel that way and choose to spend time with people based on mutual liking, rather than blood alone.

I do agree it is a bit sad for your nieces and nephews and if they want to speak to you he should facilitate that, which he’s not doing. At some point in the not too distant future however they will have phones / devices they can use to contact you if they want to. I would keep sending them card and send your number in it.

CollsR · 27/10/2025 23:08

Ellerby · 27/10/2025 19:59

I didn’t tell her but I don’t think that acceptable. My husband spent 6 days alone & just working & missing our son & me. I went alone on a flight with a 9 month old. My brother should have made some effort.

You seem weirdly intense, and determined that your brother should behave in a way that you approve of. And you are also somehow criticising him for your husband being lonely without you, on a trip that you chose to make?

Also, nine month old babies are boring.

My brother and his wife invited me to come for thanksgiving as I was on maternity leave & not working. They said that they & thier kids wanted to meet my son. They said there would be lots of willing hands to help as I’d have to come alone. I said I wasn’t sure about travelling alone & leaving my husband. My Dad was sick with cancer & visiting them. I made the effort for family memories.

I flew for 9 hours alone with a 9 month old baby. That was hard work & I think brave.

I don’t think it’s much to expect that in the days I was visiting he would once offer to help, see if I need anything, or hold his nephew. He also barely spoke to me. His wife never really hints that he’s anything other than perfect but she made a kind of apology for him. I lied and told her it’s okay as it’s not her fault. But I do think that is a very poor way to treat family.

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HeddaGarbled · 27/10/2025 23:13

There’s a halfway house where you stop the video calls but maintain the relationships with messages and gifts.

CollsR · 27/10/2025 23:39

Thanks for the messages. It had given me stuff to think about.

To be clear, in good times, I’d call every week or two and he’d answer half the time. I’d usually call just before thier breakfast time Sunday. Say hello while they make pancakes. Used to be 10mins but now with 3 kids who want to tell stories or show me something it easily gets to 20mins. That was okay with me.

I over simplified in my original post and it’s now been twice in four months I’ve seen the kids.

My mother is definitely doing her best to poison the well I am sure. I still have contact with my Dad (parents are divorced) and I do much more for my Dad than my brother. Both my brother & me live in different countries to our parents (hmmm… I wonder why we were both so keen to go so far, lol!). I’m sure Mum is doing her best to keep him busy. But that’s on him.

I think it also sucks to see that nearly every weekend they are doing something with my SIL family. Just makes me sad they can’t call me once every month or even once every two months. And it made me extra sad when I last spoke & one neice asked why she hadn’t spoken to me and my son in sometime. I felt like I should try harder. But logically I don’t think that’s on me.

I enjoy my neices and nephews. But I have them on my husbands side too & while they are also in a different country my BIL/SIL share pictures and we speak to the nearly weekly. It’s really nice just to have quick catch ups and see the kids. My husbands family never expect gifts. So really opposite. Even my BILs will text a few times a month to ask how I am. It’s really sweet to see my husband chatting to his brother on video chat while his brother changes the baby. They enjoy interacting with each others babies over video chat. So my son does have uncles that are loving and engaged

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lnks · 28/10/2025 01:30

Do you think it might be the times you are calling which makes them not answer? Before breakfast on a Sunday morning is incredibly early.

Diarygirlqueen · 28/10/2025 01:39

Truthfully, your brother doesn't seem too keen to keep your relationship, I would match his energy.
Does he ever ring you? As for the children, the number of presents is ridiculous and you say, they get your child nothing?!

To maintain relationships with the kids, maybe start writing letters to them, they love receiving post. Ease back on your intensity, let your brother miss you.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 28/10/2025 01:47

You are a very caring sister. I would stop calling but I'd tell him why I was stopping, then leave it there. He is flaky, it isn't an excuse.
He is very selfish.

WildFlowerBees · 28/10/2025 02:39

It would seem your values differ and you can’t expect back what you give out. Stop calling and just send a Christmas card without any added round robin.

You and your brother don’t share the same view of your relationship, put your energy into your family. He knows where you are.

Worriedalltheday · 28/10/2025 02:56

Goodness, you have ONE child and they have 3!!
20min calls almost every weekend must be highly annoying for them! I can imagine how busy their lives are too.
I have 2 kids, both my siblings kids and mine are very close and also close in age. We don’t even speak to each other this often.
And if someone was calling me weekly I would start missing or ignoring calls too.

Dis you even think that when you call, they would now have to get their kids to stop what they are doing to come talk for 20 min. Maybe it’s even the kids themselves who are groaning about this.

I mean realistically what are you expecting? The kids are cousins BUT given the large age gap with yours and the different countries your kids won’t grown together, have much in common or even be close really. I think you have this idea about cousins and trying to make that happen. Sounds like they are annoyed with this level of calls , and you should take a step back.