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AIBU to stop calling my brother & abandon my relationship with his kids?

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CollsR · 27/10/2025 18:07

My brother lives in the US and is married with three kids (aged 10, 8 & 6). I usually call him 2-5 times a month, on weekends, to video chat with his kids. He rarely (if ever) calls me. I don't keep him for too long, usually 10-20mins. Sometimes longer, sometimes shorter. For many months now, he's been answering less often, and I've been calling less often. I've only was able to speak to the kids about once a month or less in the last 6 months. We use FB messenger to communicate. Sometimes when he didn’t answer he'd reply later in the day & explain (we are at a park etc) but never said when would be a good time to call. I replied in August to say to feel free to call me when not busy. I didn't do it with judgement, but if he's more busy it makes sense he chooses the time of any calls. He never called, not once.

The last time I called & he answered he said (without irony) that his youngest was just asking after my son and me, and asking why she hasn't seen us in a while. That was more than a month ago. My calls the last two weekends were not answered & no messages received. I'm really hurt and upset by this but I think I just give-up. I'm sorry to lose contact with the kids but I feel like there is little I can do. AIBU to stop calling and just leave things.

I thought of trying via his wife, but while she is lovely when I visit she never calls me or answers my calls. She rarely even reads FB messages. And when I call my brother she rarely speaks to me. She's always busy arranging something or doesn't have her make-up on (I never wear makeup so don't care, but she does it seems). For a year I would always do a group call to my brother and his wife, and his wife never picked up the call, only my brother sometimes answered

I'm a working mum with a toddler and a partner who runs his own business, so I am busy too. But I make time for Family. My husband's family are all busy, some work 2 jobs, some work 7 days and they all have children also. But my husband's family finds time to call and message directly to me, as well as call my husband and chat to me also. My SIL via my husband talk to me with or without makeup on. We don't care!

For some background, there is an issue with our mother. I cut contact with her 8 years ago for narcisistic behaviour (long before it was fashionable, lol). My brother is the golden child and doesn't see any problem with perfect, victim dear Mummy. He rarely wants to talk about it, but when he decides to bring it up he blames me. I tried to build a good relationship with him but it doesn't seem to work. He mostly just hands the phone to the kids & never asks me much & doesn't respond much. He also only answers when his kids are around and won't go somewhere private. A few years ago when our Dad was seriously unwell I wanted to speak privately. He said I can talk about Dad maybe dying in front of his kids (then aged about 4, 6 & 8). I refused and was horrified he behaved like that. I call on or before the kids' birthdays. I post birthday & Christmas presents to all 3 kids each year. When I talked about cutting back and sending cards with a bit of cash I was told the kids love my gifts. This year when my son turned one I was busy celebrating with my husbands family, but realised a few months later that my brother didn't message or call to wish my son a happy birthday. And there was no present in the post. He didn't even comment on or like the Facebook post I made wishing my son Happy Birthday. At least my SIL liked the post.

AIBU to just stop calling all together and basically abandon my relationship with my brother's kids?

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applegingermint · 30/10/2025 04:41

The family rift will be behind it all. Children in the same family don’t get the same childhood. Being the golden child doesn’t necessarily mean he’s unburdened by having a manipulative mother, it’s just that he’s made his peace by staying in touch on terms that work for him. Neither yours nor his approach is “right” - it’s how you’ve emotionally decided to cope with your childhood. He probably knows you’re desperate to talk about why you went no contact but emotionally he may not have it in him to have that chat.

I’d back off and stop looking for a relationship that doesn’t exist. He doesn’t match your energy and he probably prefers his wife’s family because it’s less complicated and doesn’t dredge up feelings of discomfort. Stick to cards and birthday presents.

LameBorzoi · 30/10/2025 07:21

I understand your frustration.

I also understand your brother a bit here, too. Having three kids at that age is just hectic, in a very different way to your life. In your brother's situation, the last thing you want to do is hang around on video calls.

Don't do anything dramatic. Just send letters, try to keep the lines open.

IBelieveInUnicorns34 · 30/10/2025 07:40

Thete is nothing you can do OP to change your brother. If their patents do not want to stay in contact with you, there is little you can do to keep it with niece and nephews. I'm really sorry. I'd go as far as question if your brother us guilting you into keeping contact with them, and if anyone else before him did that, which is why this is a strong trigger for you? Family dynamics tend to go way back.

I don't think letter is a good idea as unlikely to be responded to (or read), based on what OP shared. Chrustmas card, birthday cards etc. instead. Leave the door open, but I would not expect responses.

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TessSaysYes · 30/10/2025 08:35

A call every 3 months would be fine...you re making way too much effort here.

CottonDeTulear · 30/10/2025 08:45

I’d cut them off without a backward glance. Life is too short to bother with people like that. I’d send a brief text “Hi brother. I’ve finally got the hint that your interest in me extends no further than managing to open the gifts I send. I won’t be bothering you again. I’m sad that that means I won’t keep contact with your children but hey ho”.

But I’ve become VERY hardcore as I’ve got older.

Calendulaaria · 30/10/2025 08:49

Focus your energy - you sound lovely and caring - on your husband's family. They seem to have taken you on as part of the family and take the time and effort with you. I'm sorry about your family of origin.

Snugglyslippers · 30/10/2025 08:52

I say this very kindly, but he's just not interested in a relationship with you/your kids and I do think you call/message too much.

I speak from experience. Its a bit heartbreaking. I stopped sending gifts (international), that were never acknowledged. I never received texts calls or messages on my birthday etc. As and when we connected it was all about him & his child, never asked about me or my life.

I stepped back and just recognised he didnt want the same relationship that I did and it was causing upset in me, only.

Now I let him call/message and it's still the same chat but I don't feel let down or upset. I don't feel guilty not sending messages or calling, I did that for years. He gets in touch only now and again.

You can't force a relationship someone doesn't want. Some siblings are just like this.

WhatNoRaisins · 30/10/2025 08:56

On a practical level how likely do you feel that they are ever going to make the 9 hour journey to visit you? I'm not saying it's fair on you but they might have decided to put more of their time and effort on people who are physically closer.

I must admit I have long distance family of a similar blood relation that I don't have a relationship with simply due to the distances and lack of real life contact. Nothing against them, it just makes more sense to focus on the relationships that do have to potential for in person interaction. Though in my case there wasn't a sudden hurtful ditching.

LameBorzoi · 30/10/2025 09:03

CottonDeTulear · 30/10/2025 08:45

I’d cut them off without a backward glance. Life is too short to bother with people like that. I’d send a brief text “Hi brother. I’ve finally got the hint that your interest in me extends no further than managing to open the gifts I send. I won’t be bothering you again. I’m sad that that means I won’t keep contact with your children but hey ho”.

But I’ve become VERY hardcore as I’ve got older.

Why on earth would you do that? Cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Sparklesandspandexgallore · 30/10/2025 09:12

So your brother wants you to buy his children gifts and send money but he doesn’t reciprocate or wish to speak to you.
I would stop messaging him. Let him contact you.
If he hasn’t contacted you by ( have a set date in your mind) then do not buy his children presents nor send cards. Then wait for the entitled outrage.
I would respond by saying: Oh since you don’t buy my child a birthday or Christmas gift, nor even acknowledge their existence, I assumed you didn’t want to bother with presents.
End of.

HoppityBun · 30/10/2025 09:41

I’d suggest that it doesn’t have to be either/or, OP. It doesn’t have to be you calling versus you not calling. This reads us though if you do nothing you’ll lose a relationship that your nieces and nephews would value and you haven’t actually fallen out with your brother. The relationship between siblings can be (but isn’t always) important and you both might want to connect in the future.

What I suggest is that you make sure to send Christmas cards to the family and to each nephew and niece and in the one to your brother you say that you’d love to hear from him but appreciate that he isn’t always available to take your calls. Wish him a good 2026 and say that perhaps he can let you know when he’s free and that you’d love to have some contact between your children and your nephews and nieces, when this is convenient.

That way there’s no pressure on him and you have left the door open plus you’re not badgering him with calls. I don’t say that you actually are badgering him, but given that he’s not responding, it’s possible he might feel that way.

if it all works out well, you both have many decades ahead of you to rekindle your relationship and it may well be that the relationship gets stronger as you both get older. I do hope so.

CrazeeMamma · 30/10/2025 22:39

I was estranged from my parents, my sibling was the 'golden child' and I maintained a good relationship with them and love their children. Once you break contact it's hard to get it back.

If I were in your position, and from experience, I would send cards to the children for Birthdays and Christmas, write a letter and put it in the cards. I receive a 'round robin' from a cousin who lives quite a distance from me, we've never been very close but I love the letter updating me on what they've been doing for the past 12 months. Don't force a relationship where he clearly isn't interested, but don't close the door totally.

It's not a nice position to be in, but try to focus on the people who are in your life - your partner, children, his family and your friends.

Needlenardlenoo · 31/10/2025 07:52

I posted earlier but I thought I'd come back to add that I completely stepped back from my relationship with my sister and my nieces when the kids were about 10 and 8. My sister was completely overwhelmed by parenting and had no headspace to maintain a relationship with me (or anyone really, except our mum who was willing to listen to one-sided moaning for hours at a time).

I was going through some challenging stuff myself.

I continued to send cards and gifts and we had the occasional meet up (we didn't have your challenge of distance and no family fallout).

Ten years on, however, my nieces are young adults and we all have a decent if not close relationship.

You may well find the nieces and nephews look up aunty in the UK when they are young adults, if you keep the door open.

I have a good relationship with a cousin and our dads didn't get on. We reconnected as adults.

SkippyKangeroo · 31/10/2025 08:11

You have placed an OTT intense value on 'family', maybe to compensate for you going NC with your mother.

From your brothers perspective, he's just not that bothered about you or your child, and he's not faking it just because 'family'.

I rarely speak to my sister or nieces and nephews..there's no ill will, just that we have other people we are more interested in.

Stop trying to force this relationship, it seems mainly performative anyway. Make this the last Christmas or Birthday with presents, especially if they aren't reciprocating for your child. If your brother questions this, just say you didn't think you were doing family presents anymore due to your sons birthday going unacknowledged.

TheNinny · 31/10/2025 08:18

I have nieces and nephews in the states as well. 2-5 times is a lot to call per month. i’m 1-2 at most. Were you close to your brother before his children came along? I wasn’t super close which may explain why i only really call once a month. I would do more but he isn’t really interested in maintaining contact that frequently and if I phone him then i wait until he phones me next time. I’m close to my nieces/nephews but there is a disconnect as they live in another country. Which is unfortunately what happens in most cases, it’s just not the same as if they lived closer.

Safxxx · 31/10/2025 09:40

Family are the ultimate test, having a good one is always a blessing. I believe you're a kind person and it's usually the good hearted that get hurt the most as we're always the givers not takers...but you need to set boundaries and match the energy. You have already told him to feel free to contact you when his free, so it's not on you to chase it up,let him make some effort too.
I have always been a giver and put way more effort into family and I realised I'm not getting the same back....so I've pulled back now, and decided to focus on my own husband and children and friends that have been there for me. I stopped all the gift giving as I didn't get anything back in return.
I know it's hard but you need to step back. Now and then drop a message to see how everyone is etc but don't bother with presents anymore, trust me I've done it all with my niece and nephews and now that their older they got their own lives and don't even bother with me. So I guess that's life these days.
He knows where you are let him reach out to you if needed, if the kids miss you, your brother can call for you to talk to them...don't feel guilty as it's not your fault you did try.

CollsR · 01/11/2025 08:52

Thanks for all the advice or votes. It's really helped clarify things. I thought I'd be a bad aunt for stepping back.

Who knows in the future. Perhaps when the kids are older they will contact me themselves.

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Needlenardlenoo · 01/11/2025 09:05

I'm sure they will! Keep the lines of communication open.

I sought out an estranged uncle when I was at university, and a long lost great aunt in Canada when I was 21 and on a year abroad.

This really enriched my life and was a big learning point for me as a young adult - just because my dad isn't great with relationships, doesn't mean I have to copy.

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