£15bn on hotels?

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While Rachel Reeves is trying to find £10-£30 billion by more taxes, we are spending £15bn on hotels for asylum seekers, it beggars beyond belief

news.sky.com/story/home-office-needs-to-get-a-grip-on-asylum-seeker-accommodation-after-chaotic-response-mps-say-13458475

Once a claim has been approved then local authorities, I assume, are only involved if the ex-asylum seeker is homeless (because they are not allowed to stay in the hotels or wherever).

I dont know if there are any stats on this but many/most of those granted asylum find work and start paying their way?

I certainly know that people I worked with (a good few years ago now) had been granted asylum.

To be fair the main issue the UK isn't the illegal immigrants - its the work shy Brits who prefer the Xbox to work. But Reform's two turned down job offers and then no access to benefits will sort that out.

if they’re not an illegal immigrant and can’t speak English and can’t support themselves, then it’s even worse that such people are allowed in legally.

You may want to consider some logic before making your arguments.

Well that certainly makes a little bit more sense than what I thought, but not much more.

How do you think the backlog of asylum decisions is impacted by dispersal? Specifically, how has the council dispersing people reduced the backlog?

We used to be able to do this before Brexit. You've got self-serving Farage to thank for the small boat problem.

It will certainly sort out the cost of benefits. Assuming Reform aren't basing their policy on cliché.

What on earth are you talking about when you state 'the council dispering people'? It seems as if you either don't understand the system or you're playing dumb in the hope of trying to make me look stupid? I'm not here to waste my time educating you. The information is in the public domain.

Before Brexit they came on the lorries.

That is what we need to achieve. A massive reduction in the benefits bill. The only way to stop the country going bust.

Notice the boiled frog syndrome on this thread?

Labour and Tories, since 1997 have systematically been operating open borders, getting gradually worse as time has gone on, in order to make people believe that uncontrolled immigration is an unsolvable problem. The public is now so exhausted that so many people just shrug their shoulders and say ‘we’ll, it’s just too hard to solve’.

We are literally an island nation. This madness and how the public has been manipulated into thinking this is unsolvable is frankly scandalous.

Of course it’s solvable, they just don’t want to solve it. This is the imposition of open borders by stealth.

So can the other EU countries still send everyone back?

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I understand the system very well thanks. What I’m struggling with is your logic. I’m not asking you to educate me. I’m asking you to make a coherent argument, because I’ll willingly admit that I could be being dense, but your statement makes no sense.

You said The backlog of asylum decisions has conveniently been reduced because it moves the responsibility from the Home Office to local councils My question to you is how are the two things related? How does the responsibility for dispersal moving to the council have any impact on a Home Office backlog?

@WilfredsPiesthanks for explaining, the same thing crops up repeatedly. Amazingly even a BBC journalist said the same thing at a talk. No wonder misinformation is rife.

I love you!

Your post is representative of the majority. Thank you for posting and airing the views of so many people. You are absolutely spot on

Of course it is. It’s like watching Bambi trying to learn to ice skate watching all this.

It’s entirely doable.

But, we don't have open borders

This is completely inaccurate. If you don’t understand what the Dublin Convention is, or how it worked for the UK, or the conditions that had to be met before we could send anyone anywhere, then please stop citing it.

I would happily blame Farage for pretty much anything from global warming to Oasis reforming, but the small boats are not his fault.

Would you rather they slept on the streets?

And they say satire is dead!

This joke is quite funny.

We do.

18.3million incomers and 8 million net migration since 1997 tells you we do.

Just think about that. 8 million net migration since 1997, it is total madness. And 18.3 incomers is just batshit crazy. How on earth can it be good for social cohesion and integration with these kind of crazy levels.

In the mid 90s net migration was around 50k, totally sustainable and makes sense. In the early 90s, net migration was 0.

This country is cooked.

The OP was about asylum seekers and their hotel cost. But I guess the the majority of (legal) migration could be reduced.

What is your theory for WHY governments want high levels of inward migration? It must be something bad or they wouldn't be so coy about it.

I assume that a proportion of the 18.3m have returned.

Massive increase in asylum applications within the EU within the last five years as well:

First-time asylum applications in EU countries:

2020 415,200
2021 536,000
2022 873,700
2023 1,049,500
2024 912,000

Part ideology, part incompetence and part corruption.

Open borders is a kind of mad ‘be kind’ ideology that the political classes subscribe to because it makes them feel and sound worldly and cosmopolitan. makes them look like they are outward looking, when really they are thick as mince who have no ideas on how to do the hard work to make the country better, just focus on optics.

And the incompetence part is that low skilled labour costs less than training up your own population. Notice how the benefits bill started 59 balloon when tax credits were introduced and it was about the time immigration started to get out of control.

Our ruling classes have been of a particularly low calibre since 1997. People who rather than growing the skills and income of the nation, decided to import cheap labour and give a bung in the form of unlimited benefits to the locals to keep them quiet. Ever since that time, GDP per capita has been in decline. We bring in low skilled immigrants with huge families that will never earn enough to contribute enough that they pay for themselves. At the same time we have a ballooning welfare bill for the locals.

We used to build stuff to sell. Not just manufacturing, but intellectual property, finance, high value commodities. Thats how you generate wealth. Now this country is a conveyor of second rate universities and bogus colleges pretending to sell an education and selling visas instead, often to ‘mature’ students who bring wife, kids, parents and other elderly relatives and (understandably) use it as a way to get indefinite leave to remain. And there a racket in every sector engaging in import of low skilled labour. The care sector is literally colluding with fake immigration ‘companies’ that sell visas abroad. Thats not a romantic view of the past, just a factual observation.

All of these ‘businesses’ benefiting from open borders are either donors to these corrupt politicians or the politicians are advisors or employed by these companies after m leaving office. These people are ripping us off and laughing at us.

At the same time the asylum system is broken beyond repair. Why? It’s just too ‘ard, innit?

None of that has made the country richer. The myth that uncontrolled immigration is good for the economy is a total lie.