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Really struggling with 4 teen DDs

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4for3 · 18/10/2025 13:42

I have 4 teen DDs, DD1 has just turned 17, DD2 is 15, and I have twins who are 14. DD1 is in Y12, DD2 is in Y11 and the twins are in Y10. Their father and I divorced when they were very small, but have both since remarried, neither of us have had more children. They don't go to the same schools, so DD1 is at a grammar school (she was offered private in Y7, Y9 and again for this year but doesn't want to move), DD2 goes to a bilingual school (their father is French, this was her pick), and the twins go to a local all girls private school (neither wanted the international school and neither got into any of the grammar schools).
Right now I am really struggling with all 4 girls, they are all very different personalities, none of them seem to like each other and while they all have amazing qualities, they also all have their flaws, much like any teenager.
They also, all seem to really dislike each other.

DD1 is incredibly intelligent, all 8s and 9s in her GCSEs, very self-motivated for study, she really struggles with friendships though and bullying. She goes to the same school as my niece, in the same year and my niece claims that she has a bit of reputation for being a tattle tale so people don't want to be her friend as they always feel like she is just waiting to run and tell a teacher if they ever break rules. DD has also given up all her hobbies, she used to enjoy football, violin and skiing but now has absolutely no interest in any of them. I am also not saying this to be cruel and I'd never say this to DD but over the last year or so she has also gained a significant amount of weight, mostly as she is extremely inactive. When she had friends she would walk a good amount of the way to school (take one bus, walk the rest with them) but now she just takes the bus from the bottom of our street, then changes for another bus with effectively drops her off at the school gates. When she gets home she just sits in her room, studies, watches tv etc. Her father also gives her an allowance which she tends to just spend on snacks. I have no idea how to approach this with her. She also has a terrible attitude and can be quite mean to her sisters.

DD2 is probably my most balanced child, she does well in school, has a great sense of humour and is always busy with friends/sports/music. She is much more confident than DD1. The biggest issues with DD2 are 1. All 3 of her sisters have told me she is sexually active, I've spoken to her about this, conversations about contraception etc. but she claims she isn't and if she was it would be none of my business. 2. Low level disruption in school, her school doesn't have uniform but it does has strict dress codes and DD loves to push the boundaries of this. Her father lets her buy whatever clothes she wants (so lots of tiny skirts, crop tops etc.), this results in detentions pretty often, which she doesn't seem to care about. 3. She makes no effort with family life, she rarely eats dinner with us, preferring to make her own food when she gets in, she goes to her dads often mostly as he lets her stay out late with friends. She is definitely closer to her dad but I think this is because he doesn't really police her behaviour (he let her get a bellybutton piercing over the summer, doesn't care if she smokes when out with friends). Generally she's a good kid though, doesn't talk back, will learn her lesson if she gets told off and studies for school.

DD3 (one of the twins), she is my kind child, very friendly to everyone, loves animals, loves horse riding. She does okay in school but makes a limited effort (despite being certain she wants to be a vet), she is a bit of a scatter brain so we have constant issues with homework, we have set up systems to help with this but she is also just generally uninterested in putting an effort in. She is very diplomatic and puts a real effort in with all of her sisters which doesn't go unnoticed. She also really struggles to look after her belongings, we have had to buy her countless new blazers as she just leaves them on the bus, on the tube etc. She currently doesn't have a smartphone as she lost one, broke the other which creates a lot of arguments, She has a little flip phone but I refuse to get her another smartphone unless she takes care of her things, which she just doesn't! She has been assessed for ADHD but there was no diagnosis.

DD4 is my nightmare child, she is intelligent, curious and funny but god she's a nightmare to live with. She cannot keep her room clean, no matter that punishment, we say no food in rooms, I still find wrappers everywhere, she just throws clothes on the floor. She screams and shouts if she doesn't get her way (we don't give in, but she just keeps screaming). She has issues in school as she talks back to teachers but no punishment seems effective. She is also extremely cruel to her sisters, especially DD2. I think this is because DD2 couldn't be any less interested in her sisters if she tried and gives no attention to DD4s outbursts but she is constantly mocking her weight (DD2 is very tall (5'11) and slim, she is healthy she is just built that way. DD2 doesn't care but I refuse to listen to her being cruel so she almost always have her phone confiscated, isn't allowed out with friends and allowance docked, no punishment seems to bother her much though and she just continues with the behaviour.

In addition to all this, they all claim we play favourites, I try very hard not to do this, but different personalities result in different punishments. It is also very hard to punish DD2 as she just goes to her dads. My ex does play favourites with DD2, but I have spoken to him about this and he refuses to change it and claims he doesn't.

Right now life is just so miserable, I feel like every day is a war, there is never a day where everyone just behaves and gets along. I know a lot of it is normal teen behaviour but the mixture of it all together is leaving me feeling extremely down all the time. I've suggested that DD2 and one of the others spend the week with their dad to try and balance the weight of it, DD2 is up for this but she seems to decide where she sleeps based on her activities rather than a set contact schedule. None of the others want this, mostly as their dad is less inclined to run around after them. But I have also just run out of effective punishments and I don't even know which issues are most pertinent anymore so need addressing first.

AIBU to feel like I'm totally failing at motherhood right now?
Can anyone help me figure out what issues need dealt with immediately as I just can't handle all of it at once!

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TwinklyRoseTurtle · 18/10/2025 13:48

It doesn’t seem like your DD2 is the most balanced at all considering your description.

4for3 · 18/10/2025 13:52

TwinklyRoseTurtle · 18/10/2025 13:48

It doesn’t seem like your DD2 is the most balanced at all considering your description.

Sorry, I was more meant balanced like, doing well in school, takes care of her belongings, doesn't talk back, learns a lesson if told off, has a good social life etc. Just the easiest to live with rather than having the least concerning behaviours.

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whispycloud · 18/10/2025 13:53

No advice but I am watching with interest as I have four boys, the eldest about to reach teenage-hood.

I sympathise with you though. Four children is hard work!

Tauranga · 18/10/2025 13:58

Could you twin no.3 have dyslexia?
Being scatter brained with homework, seemingly uninterested in school work, being kind and diplomatic.

These are all pointers, in my opinion, to dyslexia.

Portoagain · 18/10/2025 13:59

It does sound incredibly hard OP, you have my empathy.

Two things jumped out at me:

  1. You’re right, much of it is typical teen behaviour. they will be rotten for a while and then slowly find their feet and grow into themselves. Sound like uni will be good for DD1, and more independence in 6th form / college will be good for DD2.

2 maybe it’s just the way you write your post, bust seems like you are relying on punishments to try and mould / control your children - and you have now, as you say, ‘run out’.

Punishment doesn’t work with teens imo. It just breeds resentment. They think you are playing favourites because you keep stepping in to mediate their battles. Let them suffer natural consequences i.e. fight it out. They will teach each other the social lessons they need to learn. You need to back off. Be a shoulder to cry on, give advice when asked, help if you can. But stop punishing.

Mum2twoandacockapoo · 18/10/2025 13:59

I have no advice but just wanted to give you a pat on the back coz it sounds hard work having 4 teenage girls 💐

Just remember this won’t last forever and hopefully they will build a relationship as they get older and become closer.

4for3 · 18/10/2025 14:07

Portoagain · 18/10/2025 13:59

It does sound incredibly hard OP, you have my empathy.

Two things jumped out at me:

  1. You’re right, much of it is typical teen behaviour. they will be rotten for a while and then slowly find their feet and grow into themselves. Sound like uni will be good for DD1, and more independence in 6th form / college will be good for DD2.

2 maybe it’s just the way you write your post, bust seems like you are relying on punishments to try and mould / control your children - and you have now, as you say, ‘run out’.

Punishment doesn’t work with teens imo. It just breeds resentment. They think you are playing favourites because you keep stepping in to mediate their battles. Let them suffer natural consequences i.e. fight it out. They will teach each other the social lessons they need to learn. You need to back off. Be a shoulder to cry on, give advice when asked, help if you can. But stop punishing.

Yes I think to some extent I do feel reliant on punishments as for some things there are no effective natural consequences at this stage. Such as DD1 and DD4 being cruel doesn’t really have a natural consequence as DD2 never reacts. I just don’t believe they should get away with being horrible to each other.
Also for DD3 somethings just need to be replaced such as school equipment or blazers as I obviously want her to be in class. So when something goes missing or gets lost that’s not required for school I don’t think I should be replacing it or she will never learn to actually look after her things. None of the others have lost or broken their phones so I know teens are capable of keeping their possessions safe.

I find it hard to know what things need punished and what should just be left for time to fix. For school behaviours I don’t tend to punish them at home (so if DD2 gets a detention for wearing crop tops and skirts I just leave the detention as the punishment, if DD3 doesn’t hand her homework in on time I trust school to punish that).

DD1 it’s less punishment that’s needed I just worry about her isolating herself and becoming unhealthy but have no idea how to approach it.

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Portoagain · 18/10/2025 14:08

To give a first person perspective. I thought my mum favoured my little sister. So I picked on my little sister. Mum told me off (quite rightly, but I didn’t see it that way) this reinforced my belief that she favoured my little sister as she was ‘siding’ with her. I felt grumpy and resentful and I picked on her some more.
Round and round we go.

The answer: teach your girls to stick up for themselves. Also, think about what each child needs, individually.

What I envied about my little sister was that she was prettier than me and got more attention from everyone. Pure old-fashioned jealousy, and some sadness too. I think some help and guidance in making the most of my appearance and some special attention from parents would have boosted my self confidence and helped me be a nicer sister.

I wonder if daughter #4 has some confidence or self esteem issues that she is taking out on #2? Can you focus on that, rather than punishing her behaviour?

beepbeepbananabread · 18/10/2025 14:10

Twins sounds like they could have AD(H)D. Especially DD4. But both of them really. And because they are twins wouldn't surprise me if they both have it. Are they identical twins?

4for3 · 18/10/2025 14:11

Portoagain · 18/10/2025 14:08

To give a first person perspective. I thought my mum favoured my little sister. So I picked on my little sister. Mum told me off (quite rightly, but I didn’t see it that way) this reinforced my belief that she favoured my little sister as she was ‘siding’ with her. I felt grumpy and resentful and I picked on her some more.
Round and round we go.

The answer: teach your girls to stick up for themselves. Also, think about what each child needs, individually.

What I envied about my little sister was that she was prettier than me and got more attention from everyone. Pure old-fashioned jealousy, and some sadness too. I think some help and guidance in making the most of my appearance and some special attention from parents would have boosted my self confidence and helped me be a nicer sister.

I wonder if daughter #4 has some confidence or self esteem issues that she is taking out on #2? Can you focus on that, rather than punishing her behaviour?

Edited

This is a fair point actually. Obviously I think all of my children are beautiful but DD2 is very tall, very slim, gets a lot of attention from boys. Shes also very charismatic so I think she does really well making friends and benefiting a little from “pretty privilege”.
I do make one on one time with all my girls and DD4 and I have gone shopping often and bought her things she likes, but maybe I need to work harder on this with her.

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justasking111 · 18/10/2025 14:12

My friends had four daughters. One day their dad put yale locks on all four bedrooms. They then had their own caves to retreat to. It helped

4for3 · 18/10/2025 14:12

beepbeepbananabread · 18/10/2025 14:10

Twins sounds like they could have AD(H)D. Especially DD4. But both of them really. And because they are twins wouldn't surprise me if they both have it. Are they identical twins?

They are identical twins. DD3 was assessed for ADHD last year but no diagnosis, also been assessed for dyslexia and no diagnosis. School have never presented any concerns about DD4 in that area.

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MummytoE · 18/10/2025 14:14

Do they all have the same father? You and dad need to get on the same page re what is allowed and what isn't. X

Portoagain · 18/10/2025 14:17

4for3 · 18/10/2025 14:07

Yes I think to some extent I do feel reliant on punishments as for some things there are no effective natural consequences at this stage. Such as DD1 and DD4 being cruel doesn’t really have a natural consequence as DD2 never reacts. I just don’t believe they should get away with being horrible to each other.
Also for DD3 somethings just need to be replaced such as school equipment or blazers as I obviously want her to be in class. So when something goes missing or gets lost that’s not required for school I don’t think I should be replacing it or she will never learn to actually look after her things. None of the others have lost or broken their phones so I know teens are capable of keeping their possessions safe.

I find it hard to know what things need punished and what should just be left for time to fix. For school behaviours I don’t tend to punish them at home (so if DD2 gets a detention for wearing crop tops and skirts I just leave the detention as the punishment, if DD3 doesn’t hand her homework in on time I trust school to punish that).

DD1 it’s less punishment that’s needed I just worry about her isolating herself and becoming unhealthy but have no idea how to approach it.

If DD2 ignores it, the others may get bored and stop. But your response might be keeping it going by a) giving them something to fight against b)giving them attention c) feeding resentment.

Honestly, try taking yourself out of the equation and see what happens.

Does #1 want to go to uni? She sounds socially immature, I bet meeting new people and getting out of a school environment will be the making of her.

4for3 · 18/10/2025 14:18

MummytoE · 18/10/2025 14:14

Do they all have the same father? You and dad need to get on the same page re what is allowed and what isn't. X

They do, and we generally agree on most things.
The disagreements are around DD2 (smoking, staying out late, sex). My ex is under the opinion that these are just “parts of being a teeenager”, I disagree. But her father won’t punish her for those things so she just runs off to his whenever I try to

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Shoulderscuff · 18/10/2025 14:20

Bloody hell, you are in the wars! Sounds very hard and exhausting.

My advice is stop punishing, but stop doing anything for anyone not behaving. That means no money, lifts, no treats bought. Leave their laundry to them to do.
Stop making their lives easy and comfortable.

They want to behave badly, then do absolutely nothing for them.

When my son was giving me attitude I fully downed tools and he wasn't long adjusting his attitude when every single ask was answered NO!

Self interest is the only thing that works with teens.
They will adjust their behaviour when it suits THEM, not you.

Not buying any treats here impacted him far more than me arguing with him.
My shopping bill halved that week.
Action not words.
Mind yourself.

Octavia64 · 18/10/2025 14:22

You are way, way past the age where punishments will work and I can completely see why you feel you are at the end of your tether.

i had twins and honestly having two teenagers in the house was hard enough, four is super stressful.

a lot of this is, frankly, normal teenage behaviour.

realistically you need to do a mix of letting it go and putting incentives in place to help them where it is your place to help.

for example, most teens go through a phase where they have a floordrobe. This really isn’t your problem. Many teens do go through a phase of putting on weight, and beyond keeping healthy food on the house and encouraging exercise by 17 you’re way past the point that you are going to be able to do anything about it.

other stuff - the losing stuff is annoying. Buy loads of cheap pens and pencils and the cheap see through pencil cases so you always have a replacement to give. You can sew AirTags into blazers so that they can be found. Etc etc.

4for3 · 18/10/2025 14:23

Shoulderscuff · 18/10/2025 14:20

Bloody hell, you are in the wars! Sounds very hard and exhausting.

My advice is stop punishing, but stop doing anything for anyone not behaving. That means no money, lifts, no treats bought. Leave their laundry to them to do.
Stop making their lives easy and comfortable.

They want to behave badly, then do absolutely nothing for them.

When my son was giving me attitude I fully downed tools and he wasn't long adjusting his attitude when every single ask was answered NO!

Self interest is the only thing that works with teens.
They will adjust their behaviour when it suits THEM, not you.

Not buying any treats here impacted him far more than me arguing with him.
My shopping bill halved that week.
Action not words.
Mind yourself.

Thank you, this is great advice. I think this could work with DD4. I’m unsure it will have any impact on DD2 though (she will just run to her dad) or DD3 (I can’t tell how much of her issues are because she doesn’t want to try or if there is something else going on).

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Bloodyscarymary · 18/10/2025 14:25

Older twins are at a stage where punishments etc just won’t work - you have hopefully laid the groundwork with values with them and now your role is more about supporting them and guiding them as a trusted friend. The fact that your DD won’t tell you if she’s sexually active is a red flag for me that you haven’t properly made this transition with her, you’re still treating her like a child and meting out punishments. Now is the time to work on building the next phase of your relationship with the older girls, help guide them but also let them make their own choices.

With DD1 and her isolation and weight, can you just suggest activities to do as a family/1:1 like go on a hike on Saturdays/incorporate a walk after dinner each night? And make sure healthy food in your house at least. As a PP said, soon she’ll be off to uni and she will mature dramatically and all the meanness to sisters etc will hopefully fade away as she moves to adulthood.

With DD2, as long as she is performing well at school and has her sight set on her ambitions then it doesn’t seem like there is much to worry about here?

With the two youngest, they clearly have ADHD! I think you need another diagnosis. What stood out to me is your comment that you “know teenagers can take care of their things” as your other girls didn’t lose/break their phones. This misunderstands ADHD. I think it’s unhelpful to punish her for not being able to do things she finds more difficult than neurotypical people. Much better to support rather than blame and accept that there is unfortunately an ADHD tax in life.

With DD4, I struggle to see how her “being cruel” to DD2 is even an issue, seeing as DD2 is happy, confident and ignores her and doesn’t care? Maybe you just let that one go and stop feeling like you need to police it!

ERthree · 18/10/2025 14:28

You deserve a medal. Four teenage girls in the house must be hell on earth. Girls are awful to each other and no matter what you say or do they will continue to mean to each other so let them be mean to each other.
As for losing blazers etc tell her the replacement comes out of her allowance, birthday money etc She isn't bothered about keeping track of her belongings because you pay for the replacement.
Your elder daughter needs to get off her arse and exercise but she needs your help, can you do an exercise class together or go swimming ?
Child 4 is probably just reacting to the chaos in the household.
Their father sounds like he just throws money at the problem so is in effect a useless parent.
Do you ever get a break ? If not then you need to arrange for all of them to spend a week or so at their fathers.
Hang in there, the will turn into lovely adults but until they do pick you battles wisely.

MummytoE · 18/10/2025 14:31

ERthree · 18/10/2025 14:28

You deserve a medal. Four teenage girls in the house must be hell on earth. Girls are awful to each other and no matter what you say or do they will continue to mean to each other so let them be mean to each other.
As for losing blazers etc tell her the replacement comes out of her allowance, birthday money etc She isn't bothered about keeping track of her belongings because you pay for the replacement.
Your elder daughter needs to get off her arse and exercise but she needs your help, can you do an exercise class together or go swimming ?
Child 4 is probably just reacting to the chaos in the household.
Their father sounds like he just throws money at the problem so is in effect a useless parent.
Do you ever get a break ? If not then you need to arrange for all of them to spend a week or so at their fathers.
Hang in there, the will turn into lovely adults but until they do pick you battles wisely.

First paragraph is sexist shit.

justasking111 · 18/10/2025 14:33

I solved the floor drobe problem with two boys. Went into the bedrooms with bin bags. Threw all the clothes into the bin bags. Opened the window and threw them into the garden. I then calmly, vacuumed, dusted, polished and changed the bedding. Spraying lavender on the new bedding and departed. The rooms looked and smelt good.

4for3 · 18/10/2025 14:34

ERthree · 18/10/2025 14:28

You deserve a medal. Four teenage girls in the house must be hell on earth. Girls are awful to each other and no matter what you say or do they will continue to mean to each other so let them be mean to each other.
As for losing blazers etc tell her the replacement comes out of her allowance, birthday money etc She isn't bothered about keeping track of her belongings because you pay for the replacement.
Your elder daughter needs to get off her arse and exercise but she needs your help, can you do an exercise class together or go swimming ?
Child 4 is probably just reacting to the chaos in the household.
Their father sounds like he just throws money at the problem so is in effect a useless parent.
Do you ever get a break ? If not then you need to arrange for all of them to spend a week or so at their fathers.
Hang in there, the will turn into lovely adults but until they do pick you battles wisely.

We used to have a pretty set contact schedule 50/50 (when they were little it was I did Monday, Tuesday and every other weekend, he did Wednesday Thursday, then we transitioned to one week on, one week off), now it’s a bit of a free for all. DD1 maybe stays at her dads every other weekend, DD2 probably 60-70% of the time, DD3 stays at her dads in the school week but tends to do weekends here and DD4 does similar but generally just stays where ever DD2 or 3 are for the company. We live a 10 minute walk apart and try to be open to them just coming and going.

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Shoulderscuff · 18/10/2025 14:36

You become an "ingredients house".
The worst insult a teen can say about their home.🙄
AKA as in a no junk food house.
Only veg, fruit and ingredients for making good dinners.
Teens abhor ingredient houses apparently 🤣.

In essence you become a bit of a truculent teen yourself.
Give them a taste of how they come across.
I am a very loving mother, great cook and baker.
They really don't like it when I down tools.😁
Of all you have written about them, the worst part is the nastiness in how they speak to each other.

THAT would be a total deal breaker for me.
Words hurt and can't be taken back.
So that would get the strongest reaction from me.

MummytoE · 18/10/2025 14:38

What about encouraging the eldest to get a part time job? Would get her out and about? Build confidence, make pals etc