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Really struggling with 4 teen DDs

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4for3 · 18/10/2025 13:42

I have 4 teen DDs, DD1 has just turned 17, DD2 is 15, and I have twins who are 14. DD1 is in Y12, DD2 is in Y11 and the twins are in Y10. Their father and I divorced when they were very small, but have both since remarried, neither of us have had more children. They don't go to the same schools, so DD1 is at a grammar school (she was offered private in Y7, Y9 and again for this year but doesn't want to move), DD2 goes to a bilingual school (their father is French, this was her pick), and the twins go to a local all girls private school (neither wanted the international school and neither got into any of the grammar schools).
Right now I am really struggling with all 4 girls, they are all very different personalities, none of them seem to like each other and while they all have amazing qualities, they also all have their flaws, much like any teenager.
They also, all seem to really dislike each other.

DD1 is incredibly intelligent, all 8s and 9s in her GCSEs, very self-motivated for study, she really struggles with friendships though and bullying. She goes to the same school as my niece, in the same year and my niece claims that she has a bit of reputation for being a tattle tale so people don't want to be her friend as they always feel like she is just waiting to run and tell a teacher if they ever break rules. DD has also given up all her hobbies, she used to enjoy football, violin and skiing but now has absolutely no interest in any of them. I am also not saying this to be cruel and I'd never say this to DD but over the last year or so she has also gained a significant amount of weight, mostly as she is extremely inactive. When she had friends she would walk a good amount of the way to school (take one bus, walk the rest with them) but now she just takes the bus from the bottom of our street, then changes for another bus with effectively drops her off at the school gates. When she gets home she just sits in her room, studies, watches tv etc. Her father also gives her an allowance which she tends to just spend on snacks. I have no idea how to approach this with her. She also has a terrible attitude and can be quite mean to her sisters.

DD2 is probably my most balanced child, she does well in school, has a great sense of humour and is always busy with friends/sports/music. She is much more confident than DD1. The biggest issues with DD2 are 1. All 3 of her sisters have told me she is sexually active, I've spoken to her about this, conversations about contraception etc. but she claims she isn't and if she was it would be none of my business. 2. Low level disruption in school, her school doesn't have uniform but it does has strict dress codes and DD loves to push the boundaries of this. Her father lets her buy whatever clothes she wants (so lots of tiny skirts, crop tops etc.), this results in detentions pretty often, which she doesn't seem to care about. 3. She makes no effort with family life, she rarely eats dinner with us, preferring to make her own food when she gets in, she goes to her dads often mostly as he lets her stay out late with friends. She is definitely closer to her dad but I think this is because he doesn't really police her behaviour (he let her get a bellybutton piercing over the summer, doesn't care if she smokes when out with friends). Generally she's a good kid though, doesn't talk back, will learn her lesson if she gets told off and studies for school.

DD3 (one of the twins), she is my kind child, very friendly to everyone, loves animals, loves horse riding. She does okay in school but makes a limited effort (despite being certain she wants to be a vet), she is a bit of a scatter brain so we have constant issues with homework, we have set up systems to help with this but she is also just generally uninterested in putting an effort in. She is very diplomatic and puts a real effort in with all of her sisters which doesn't go unnoticed. She also really struggles to look after her belongings, we have had to buy her countless new blazers as she just leaves them on the bus, on the tube etc. She currently doesn't have a smartphone as she lost one, broke the other which creates a lot of arguments, She has a little flip phone but I refuse to get her another smartphone unless she takes care of her things, which she just doesn't! She has been assessed for ADHD but there was no diagnosis.

DD4 is my nightmare child, she is intelligent, curious and funny but god she's a nightmare to live with. She cannot keep her room clean, no matter that punishment, we say no food in rooms, I still find wrappers everywhere, she just throws clothes on the floor. She screams and shouts if she doesn't get her way (we don't give in, but she just keeps screaming). She has issues in school as she talks back to teachers but no punishment seems effective. She is also extremely cruel to her sisters, especially DD2. I think this is because DD2 couldn't be any less interested in her sisters if she tried and gives no attention to DD4s outbursts but she is constantly mocking her weight (DD2 is very tall (5'11) and slim, she is healthy she is just built that way. DD2 doesn't care but I refuse to listen to her being cruel so she almost always have her phone confiscated, isn't allowed out with friends and allowance docked, no punishment seems to bother her much though and she just continues with the behaviour.

In addition to all this, they all claim we play favourites, I try very hard not to do this, but different personalities result in different punishments. It is also very hard to punish DD2 as she just goes to her dads. My ex does play favourites with DD2, but I have spoken to him about this and he refuses to change it and claims he doesn't.

Right now life is just so miserable, I feel like every day is a war, there is never a day where everyone just behaves and gets along. I know a lot of it is normal teen behaviour but the mixture of it all together is leaving me feeling extremely down all the time. I've suggested that DD2 and one of the others spend the week with their dad to try and balance the weight of it, DD2 is up for this but she seems to decide where she sleeps based on her activities rather than a set contact schedule. None of the others want this, mostly as their dad is less inclined to run around after them. But I have also just run out of effective punishments and I don't even know which issues are most pertinent anymore so need addressing first.

AIBU to feel like I'm totally failing at motherhood right now?
Can anyone help me figure out what issues need dealt with immediately as I just can't handle all of it at once!

OP posts:
KarminaBurana · 18/10/2025 16:06

The trouble with laissez-faire parenting, is that the children are often not mature enough to set boundaries themselves. They need guidance and clarity, not *Oh there's nothing we can do about smoking/sex/staying out late".... really? So parenting stops when it gets too challenging?
It's tough OP because you're dealing with their dad's gentle/permissive parenting. However, it's your house and they are young.
It's ok to set firm boundaries, and have consequences.
Is there a student counsellor at the school you can liaise with?

limescale · 18/10/2025 16:17

I'm not going to give any advice OP as I have 2 sons.
I will say that my lone parent sister raised 3 girls close in age who are now all young adults - all so different you would wonder if they had the same upbringing, all (mostly) happy. They are at uni and travelling so it's a bit early to say they're all independent and successful but they're on the right path.
I'd visit and this fug of oestrogen would waft out of the house (3 teen girls and menopausal Mum).
Actually, I will say one thing. What did help restore her faith somewhat was carving out one to one time with each of them - having a special day.

Jade3450 · 18/10/2025 16:17

Some book recommendations @4for3 :

How to Talk so Teens will Listen
Siblings without Rivalry
Get out of my Life

KarminaBurana · 18/10/2025 16:17

How to Talk so Teens will Listen is a very good book.

zingally · 18/10/2025 16:33

Why is the father seemingly only of any interest to DD2? You only mention him in relation to her. What's the relationship like between him and the other 3?

Nestingbirds · 18/10/2025 16:46

I would get a good therapist, go out regularly with friends in the same position and try to stay entirely neutral whilst being loving of each dd. I think that’s all you can do!

safetyfreak · 18/10/2025 16:51

Four is a lot,

Give yourself a break,

However, they also didn't choose to have three siblings, so stay active, involved and non-judgmental. These years will pass.

BerryTwister · 18/10/2025 16:53

TwinklyRoseTurtle · 18/10/2025 13:48

It doesn’t seem like your DD2 is the most balanced at all considering your description.

I was thinking the same. I’d happily have a child with a messy room over a child who’s smoking and having sex at 15!

NimbleDreamer · 18/10/2025 17:01

MummytoE · 18/10/2025 14:46

I think you might be a bit delusional about your second born...

Agreed. She sounds like the worst one.

oldFoolMe · 18/10/2025 17:33

You are not unreasonable to feel that way, teenager girls are so hard!!
Just do whatever you can to get through it, it will get easier

TheGander · 18/10/2025 17:38

You gave my sympathies. I have 2 boys but the middle teen years were the worst. DS2 especially turned from being my perfect, loving child to a bottled up , secretive, unhappy stranger who spent all his spare time gaming. He’s now 18 and coming out of it thank God. I think all you can do is repeat your expectations, model good behaviour and communication, expect resistance at every turn and not give up. The book Get out of my life ( but first drive me and Alex into town), a manual for parents of teenagers, was quite helpful.

Croakymccroakyvoice · 18/10/2025 17:54

Do you eat dinner together at the table? That has been a key part of building relationships with my teen-adult children. Also we occasionally do stuff like play a board game together or watch a TV show together.

I would step back from punishments and instead offer advice. Try and have real conversations about why they are unkind rather than just telling them it is unacceptable. Concentrate on building relationships rather than punishing behaviour.

I do think it sounds like neurodiversity may be at play in various forms between them.

Remember it will pass. Before you know it they will be adults and off doing their own things.

stomachamelon · 18/10/2025 18:04

I have a house full of boys (or rather HAD as one is now a father himself and second lives in aus)
Put them in a room they can be eye wateringly mean to each other. ‘Banter’ apparently.

If I had my time again (and they have a wide range of personalities and neurodivergence) I wouldn’t have policed as much. They didn’t listen and the only stressed person was me.

Your eldest will go to uni soon I imagine and changes over time will rebalance your house. You are one person and with their dad can only do so much. Give them unconditional love and guidance but you can’t enforce. Trust me it doesn’t work. I also teach kids in a PRU and you can only suggest things and hope they see sense- modelling etc by being nice and spending time on what they like individually.

I don’t have all the answers but what I will say is. I have three siblings and probably would only (by choice) spend time with one. I am sure my sons feel the same but when the going gets tough eg health, money, work, they all pull together.

busybusybusy2015 · 18/10/2025 18:08

Surely DD2, your French speaker, should spend school nights at her French father's? Total immersion language every day so she ends up properly bilingual. Take one out of the mix, as she's currently running rings round you anyway and currently has no interest in being friends with her sisters. Arrange with her father that that's where she's eating, doing her homework and sleeping on school nights. Back home with you at weekends, and no exceptions (unless you're ill). Make him the school contact for DD2. He'll snap out of the favouritism. WhatsApp her regularly day and night but put her father in charge of buying toiletries, cooking dinner, giving lifts: something other than buying treats! And btw show them all how the washing machine works, give them a laundry bag each and a poster somewhere of what the labels mean, and never ever do any more laundry. If they end up dirty, they'll find their way out.

TheLivelyViper · 18/10/2025 18:50

4for3 · 18/10/2025 15:06

I don’t really think it’s an issue that she isn’t close to her sisters. I was never close to my brothers growing up, obviously she doesn’t announce to anyone she doesn’t have sisters now, that was a little point I made from when she was in Y1/Y2!
I agree the smoking is a massive issue, but by health conscious I meant she works out often, eats really well, never seems to snack etc.

On DD2 or to be honest all of them when they reach that point, get her on contraception, if she does have sex she needs condoms, he may not bring them. Pregnancy is not something you want. Tell her that him not wanting to use them cause of the 'feel' is stupid, make her remind him of the responsibility of fatherhood if he says no. Also, stealthing is a crime, it's legally SA at least but also rape - that's when you agree to wear a condom, then take it off without their permission and without telling them.

On BBC iplayer there's a show called 'I May Destroy You' it talks about sex, relationship red flags, misogyny and the raw bad things you want her to know the signs for. Also I think the Gabby Petitio documentary is also useful, I'd watch it with all of them to be honest, either 1/2 at a time maybe so they don't not want to say things cause their siblings are there. Just in general as I think it is very useful for women these days, especially I May Destroy You, it may also might open up conversations especially for DD2.

Get her the morning after pill now and give to to her, so that if it does unfortunately happen, the money or the shock isn't a barrier to her using it or buying it. Also, something like the injection, implant, or the mirena or copper coil as its non-hormonal, as those don't reply on her taking it every day and forgetting. Get her to download the app called the E-Card, essentially it has an app so that at any pharmacy or sexual health clinic you can get free condoms with the barcode under 24. It also has a map for all the nearest sexual health clinics, also share a link to the website/app. She hasn't told you she's sexually active so likely wouldn't tell you if she needed a doctor for anything about it, and may not know how to get in contact with the GP or think you'll find out. Though from 16 or 13 she can have her medicial records etc not shared but still, if she knows the resource exists she'll talk to a professional. Sexual health clinics are free and often accept walk-ins or same day appointments, so tell her that.

There's also a website called Brooks which I recommend for all your daughters tbh (I think they now have an app). It's free sexual health advice, contraception advice, love and relationships. All broken down and age appropriate. https://www.brook.org.uk/

On DD1 she may be depressed, maybe talk to her about that as quitting all your hobbies is a sign of anhedonia which is like disinterest and not feeling any joy especially from things you used to. A teenager changing hobbies or dropping 1 or 2 in Y12 is normal but all of them, especially all the isolation is worrying. Maybe also talk to her form tutor or head of year, she may talk to them if they prompt her and having a good trusted adult can help even if it's not you. Maybe think about getting her to see the GP, only go in with her if she wants you to. Just that a lot of what you say point to that.

I'd make sure you limit DD2's allowance when she uses it to buy cigarettes, also definitely talk to her about the dangers, properly educate her on it. It's not cool, and you don't want her to get addicted, maybe get her to talk to a GP or nurse, cause she may actually be struggling to stop it, and the earlier she gets help the better.

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Sexual Health & Wellbeing - Brook

Brook is the only national charity to offer both clinical sexual health services and education and wellbeing services, plus training & support for professionals.

https://www.brook.org.uk

TheLemonLemur · 18/10/2025 18:54

Honestly dd2 sounds both of your favourite child and your biggest issue. Much of the rest of your problems seems to be typical teenage personalities clashing and them not being the pretty social butterflies you want them to be like dd2.

DD1 sounds like she has low mood i would keep an eye on this. The twins sound like typical teenagers but I would stop going on at dd4 for what sounds nothing more than typical teens but probably reinforces the feeling you prefer dd2

Hankunamatata · 18/10/2025 19:00

I think its hard when you have ex in the mix undermining everything.

Dd1 sounds most balanced tbh. Not unusual at 17 for girls to give up sports.

Iv 3 teens and have the same consequences for all of them, we call them family rules.

You break the rule then in our case it no electronics or grounding.

I insist on 3 family meals a week that everyone has to attend.

If you get detention at school its grounded or extra chores.

junebirthdaygirl · 18/10/2025 19:36

My mom had 4 teenage dds. It was the 70s/ 80s so stricter parenting all round and yet it was a nightmare for her. Not for us. We were happy going to school/ friends/ sports etc. But we fought over clothes / makeup/ space/ bedrooms: some messy some tidy. My mom said she never wanted to go through that again. And my dad was there pretty hands on. So give yourself some credit. This will pass.
My sisters and l are now best friends. We holiday together/ constantly support each other and generally get on. We managed to care for our mom when she became disabled without a cross word between us...think we owed her!!!
But l would look at your twins: sounds like they both have some issues like ADHD and one may be covering up in school and taking it out on everyone at home.
Does their dad display any of these issues?
And just because DD2 fobs you off a out the sex she will look back and appreciate you tried to care for her so don't go all hands off. Keep the conversation going as she is very vulnerable.

Vitriolinsanity · 18/10/2025 19:39

Blimey. 4! My sainted mother only had 3 and we nearly shipped her to the looney bin.

I’d be tempted to ship all 4 to ex-DH for a very long holiday, then re-grouo when he’s lost his last marble, he is annoying the entire situation.

I agree with all the PP that Dd2 is the chief protagonist and it’s interesting you can’t see it.

Id have to divide and conquer: they only get privileges if they work together to gain them. One fucks up, they all lose out. It worked for poor DM.

Btowngirl · 18/10/2025 19:50

Op, I am the youngest of 4 girls and though I can’t speak from my mums perspective, I can say to you IT WILL GET BETTER! My sisters and I are all so close, yes we used to fight like cat and dog and probably made my mum go grey, but there’s nothing like having a load of sisters and a brilliant mum who obviously cares a lot. We joke now that my mum is basically our 5th sister. I can only imagine how rough it is at the moment (I’ve got 2 young daughters and fear teenage years) but I do agree with PP’s about not being too focussed on ‘punishments’. Try and encourage positive time all together, them together, you with whoever is free. Whenever really! We are all so tight now, our children are really close, we talk constantly and see eachother loads (I have lived away for over 10 years as well).

ETA - my dad lived a few hours away, so my mum was in the same position as you mostly doing it by herself.

Jade3450 · 18/10/2025 19:55

I think you need to move away from ‘punishing’ them as this only drives a wedge at this age.

Instead I think you can have quite open and honest conversations with them. Be present and curious - genuinely curious - about what they care about and what drives them.

You can share how upsetting you find it when they are horrible to each other. Perhaps come up with a couple of non-negotiables they all agree are reasonable requests.

Avoid labelling (‘she’s the kind one/she’s the intelligent one’) and definitely always avoid comparing, even in your own head.

I think you’re doing a good job.

Jade3450 · 18/10/2025 19:57

TheLivelyViper · 18/10/2025 18:50

On DD2 or to be honest all of them when they reach that point, get her on contraception, if she does have sex she needs condoms, he may not bring them. Pregnancy is not something you want. Tell her that him not wanting to use them cause of the 'feel' is stupid, make her remind him of the responsibility of fatherhood if he says no. Also, stealthing is a crime, it's legally SA at least but also rape - that's when you agree to wear a condom, then take it off without their permission and without telling them.

On BBC iplayer there's a show called 'I May Destroy You' it talks about sex, relationship red flags, misogyny and the raw bad things you want her to know the signs for. Also I think the Gabby Petitio documentary is also useful, I'd watch it with all of them to be honest, either 1/2 at a time maybe so they don't not want to say things cause their siblings are there. Just in general as I think it is very useful for women these days, especially I May Destroy You, it may also might open up conversations especially for DD2.

Get her the morning after pill now and give to to her, so that if it does unfortunately happen, the money or the shock isn't a barrier to her using it or buying it. Also, something like the injection, implant, or the mirena or copper coil as its non-hormonal, as those don't reply on her taking it every day and forgetting. Get her to download the app called the E-Card, essentially it has an app so that at any pharmacy or sexual health clinic you can get free condoms with the barcode under 24. It also has a map for all the nearest sexual health clinics, also share a link to the website/app. She hasn't told you she's sexually active so likely wouldn't tell you if she needed a doctor for anything about it, and may not know how to get in contact with the GP or think you'll find out. Though from 16 or 13 she can have her medicial records etc not shared but still, if she knows the resource exists she'll talk to a professional. Sexual health clinics are free and often accept walk-ins or same day appointments, so tell her that.

There's also a website called Brooks which I recommend for all your daughters tbh (I think they now have an app). It's free sexual health advice, contraception advice, love and relationships. All broken down and age appropriate. https://www.brook.org.uk/

On DD1 she may be depressed, maybe talk to her about that as quitting all your hobbies is a sign of anhedonia which is like disinterest and not feeling any joy especially from things you used to. A teenager changing hobbies or dropping 1 or 2 in Y12 is normal but all of them, especially all the isolation is worrying. Maybe also talk to her form tutor or head of year, she may talk to them if they prompt her and having a good trusted adult can help even if it's not you. Maybe think about getting her to see the GP, only go in with her if she wants you to. Just that a lot of what you say point to that.

I'd make sure you limit DD2's allowance when she uses it to buy cigarettes, also definitely talk to her about the dangers, properly educate her on it. It's not cool, and you don't want her to get addicted, maybe get her to talk to a GP or nurse, cause she may actually be struggling to stop it, and the earlier she gets help the better.

What the hell?

This is all a bit heavy handed. Why are you so focused on one of the girls potentially being sexually active?

Nescafeneeded · 18/10/2025 20:02

People often imagine multiple daughters as being like Little Women, but they’re at each others throats most of the time. My mum is one of 5 girls and their spats, grudges and prolonged periods of not speaking have nearly tipped my poor grandmother over the edge.

I’m one of 3 girls and I also fought like cat and dog with my sisters, sometimes physically. The only thing you can do really is make sure they have space from each other - do they have their own bedrooms? - and try to mentally detach from the arguing as frankly there’s very little you can do about it. Do you do meditation, yoga etc? If not it’s worth a go.

DanceM1 · 18/10/2025 21:01

I rarely comment on anything, but I am one of 4 girls. When all 4 of us were teenagers I honestly don’t know how my parents coped and they were together in the same house!

we were all generally well behaved at school etc but we did fight alll the time. We also accused our parents of having a favourite all the time. I remember that upsetting my mum and now, as a mum myself, understand why! We are very different people in some ways, very similar in others.

Now we are all really close (I think we always were but siblings are who you take everything out on aren’t they?!) We laugh a lot about the chaos of our house with the four of us growing up. I genuinely don’t know how my mum coped!! But we all survived and even though we don’t live too close to each other, we speak every day via messages/face time etc and our children love their aunties too.

Please don’t feel like you’re failing. The teenage years are really hard and 4 teenage girls under one roof is bound to be challenging to say the least!

Meltdownoclock · 18/10/2025 21:42

Audhd, ADHD and autistic to varying degrees would be my guess

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