AIBU to think this BBC headline is misleadingre Andrew Windsor ? ?

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cvgw31y75ywt

Andrew has not given up anything .
His own ( I doubt the wrote it ) statement says he will not use his ‘titles’ .He still has them

Charles and William dare not touch Andrew in case Andrew reveals all about the rest of them - plus they no doubt see nothing wrong- what’s another used and abused peasant to them ?
But another woman linked to the Windsors has died, Virginia Giuffre, and her book is released next week . So the Windsors need to throw a bone to the public and make it look like they have done something . They have done precisely nothing .
It’s hot air .

Is the BBC helping to prop up the Windsor grift ? The article does say Andrew doesn’t ‘use’ his HRH - but he still has it . So they must know this nonsense re ‘giving up’ a title is not the whole story . Why not make it clear to the reader ?

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AIBU to think this BBC headline is misleading re Andrew Windsor ?

I don’t see how you can physically strip someone of an intangible notion.

HRH only exists if it’s used, surely? Like your name. If you change it, nobody comes and picks the old one up and leaves you a new one.

I agree titles and royalty are made up bullshit.

However they can be removed - but only by parliament .

This headline making nonsense from Windsor Inc is misleading people into believing that Charles and /or William have somehow ‘acted’
As if

I’ve also noticed that one of Epstein’s victims also thinks Andrew has been ‘stripped ‘ of his ( nonsense ) titles .
That has really upset me

Could the BBC please be clearer ?
This is a puff piece from the Windsors . It’s the one thing they are good at - deception and sleight of hand .

Well I do think Charles & William have acted. There’s no way that inflated bag of sleaze volunteered to stop using them.

He was told to, probably forcefully, He was told his grifter wife was to stop pretending to be royal.

I agree that the motives for doing this were more in an attempt at self preservation on the part of the King & heir, and I wish Andrew were forced to face proper justice for his crimes - along with all the other well-known men in the emails.

But meantime, this is a humiliation for Andrew and I am all for that.

Though now that you say it, it might be fun if, in an elaborate ceremony in Westminster Abbey, Andrew had official-looking regalia removed from him and destroyed. Like the bit in Mary Poppins where the bank board have the disgraced Mr Banks’ bowler hat and umbrella ceremonially busted.

I think it was clear enough. I understood he was 'giving up his titles' in the same way some people 'choose to resign' when they're actually being sacked.

They took them away from Diana and Fergie didn't they? Could they have prevented them from using it, I'm not sure...
In that case, can anyone put it in front of their name?

He has been “stripped” of his titles - he has obviously been told by the king that he can never use them/lay claim to them again. He can’t afford to ignore orders from his brother - I mean he literally can’t afford it, as he does not have an income to match his expensive lifestyle, he is dependant on King Charles.

In every sense that matters he no longer has the titles.

To officially remove them requires an act of parliament and honestly I’d rather they were fixing the wider messes in the country than spending time on some performative “he shall no longer be HRH!” piece of legislation, when it’s already the case that he will no longer be HRH.

@Gwenhwyfar
That’s true - they did take HRH from Diana

Did they manage to find the legislative time then ?
But now , with all that Andrew is associated with - it’s too much bother

Bullshit
Andrew is protected and ‘not using’ titles he still has is more bullshit
The Windsors are protecting Andrew

If any of us were properly terrible at our jobs, consistently used young prostitutes and made sexual comments and were generally horrible to be around we would be sacked promptly. Shocking how he’s hung on for years there must be a reason like he knows stuff.

Yes it’s all meaningless. Andrew already gave up public life so an agreement not to use his titles mean what exactly - his letterhead to pay his tailor’s bill will no longer say Duke of York KG . So what.

Actually I think it will be a bigger blow to Sarah who does a lot of globe trotting around the world opening hospitals visiting orphanages etc on the back of the Duchess of York title and so I guess these freebie trips will now dry up.

Also I think there is a link between his relationship with the Chinese spy and the bizarre decision of the government to cease investigation.

I think the next best step would be to pension him off to Sandringham where he is less visible. Easily done as Phillip loved a relatively private life there pre covid. Then at least we wouldn’t be subjected to his smug face getting one over us as he is driven by his bodyguard in his personalised Bentley to have a horse ride over the State owned Windsor Castle. He was milking his proximity to poor William at the duchess of kent’s funeral relishing and asserting his presence as an important royal right at the front. only a few weeks ago so I can’t imagine he has had some turnabout since then. Less overt visibility within the royals would be the only punishment that hits.

But another woman linked to the Windsors has died, Virginia Giuffre
What do you mean by another woman linked to the Windsors? Who else has died? QEII??? What are you insinuating OP? I’ve met plenty of people who subsequently died, it’s one of life’s certainties.

@PrincessAnne5Eva

Thats another thread !

Do we know what’s in Virginia Guiffrie’s book yet? The timing seems very convenient. Maybe there’s going to be something in there which is going to pile on to the RF even more horrors. I read that Charles didn’t want to totally remove the titles as it would have a knock on effect with the titles of Eugene and Beatrice, of whom Charles is very fond. As far as I can see he’s just been told he can no longer use them, so they’ll be ‘parked’ up.

What’s the BBC got to do with it? ITV has the same news article, expressed in the same way. The news organisations are reporting what they have been told. But it’s clear that it’s the King who has forced him to stop using the titles, Andrew hasn’t voluntarily given them up. And he’s still Prince Andrew, not Andrew Windsor.

@Livelovebehappy

‘Parked Up’ - yes exactly . Still there . Not ‘stripped ‘ at all

Could the BBC please make that clear ?

He's the late Queen's son, so he is a prince by birth nothing can change that, but he can refrain from using his title. I do think he should move out of the Windsor house and live somewhere a bit less in public view, but wherever he lives the press will still follow him however much he wants to live privately.

Yes of course - it’s all mainstream media . I just couldn’t link all but you are right

The role of the media should not be to print what Charles and his lackeys tell them! That’s my point

He will be giving up the title Duke of York but he will still be a prince. That cannot be removed as it is due to birth order.

@Anyoldsalad

He hasn’t given up anything

You have been successfully misled by Windsor inc

The role of the media should not be to print what Charles and his lackeys tell them! That’s my point

I get annoyed when the media always end a story about Andrew with 'the prince has denied all allegations' - this somehow lets him off the hook and leaves the issue dangling.

I think stories should end with 'the prince has denied all allegations, but did pay out a reported £12 million in a civil case', which leaves a more accurate impression, in my opinion.

He hasn’t ’given anything up’ yet because it has only just been announced.

He didn’t inherit anything after the ER’s death except 2 dogs.

What exactly are you expecting? For Charles to turf him out onto the street and he live on a council estate?

He's been stripped of his " given " titles such as Duke of York but he was born from a queen so was an automatic Prince , so a Prince he will remain .

his ex wife Sarah becomes plain Sarah Ferguson and no longer Duchess , which I think she probably became that when they divorced anyway .

Royal titles aside , I'd be more interested in knowing how much money he is entitled / is still getting from us ?

At least his great-uncle Edward had the decency to fuck off to France and live fairly privately.

No, that wasn’t a legislative change for Diana specifically. That was an LP stating that people who get divorced from the royal family will lose their HRH. It would apply to anyone. Removing HRH from a born prince would presumably require a bit more faffing.
The LP was done in the same year as Charles and Andrew both got divorced, so was presumably done in anticipation of that.