To be somewhat proud of being vaccinated?

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With all the anti vax bollocks going about at the moment I’m somewhat proud of myself for actually going and getting vaccinated. I just think it’s mad that people won’t!

People who don’t vaccinate their children are absolutely neglectful and there should be some form of public register they are put on when refuses vaccinations. They should also be under child protection, and made to talk to a psychiatrist about why they do not want their children to have them. They need to be made to feel as stupid as they are 🤣

To be honest, you don't sound very smart. The flu vaccine, like all medications, has potential side effects. In order to decide whether it makes sense to take it, you need to consider it's efficacy (this varies year on year), your risk of contracting flu and the potential impact on you and others if you do contract flu.

Automatically getting the flu vaccine because "science" is just as ignorant (in the sense of not understanding) as not getting the flu vaccine because "conspiracy theory of the day".

I got the flu vaccine last year for the first time. I got it because I am now on immuno-suppressants so my risk and the potential impact are both significantly higher than previously. I did not get it before that as I have only had flu twice in my life. Whilst unpleasant, it was pretty short lived and not particularly bad. The potential benefits did not outweigh the risks until last year 🤷‍♀️

Oh shit, sorry I thought that was you - my apologies.

It's a medication. All medications have side effects that affect some people and not others.

Everyone in my, admittedly small, circle takes up all vaccinations they are eligible for, so for me, getting a vaccination is a routine thing, not any kind of statement.

Nobody is saying you can’t have reactions to vaccines. People can have reactions to all medications, from paracetamol to antibiotics.

There is nothing to suggest that giving combined vaccines “confuses the immune system” and causes autoimmune disease though (and years of evidence that it is fine).

I never said that. I merely countered the statement of look at childhood vaxs.

Is this how you speak to people in real life OP? You're sounding more and more rude with every comment.

I used to work in the NHS and none of my colleagues took up the offer of the flu jab (even when heavily pressured by management). Both flu and covid vaccines are very hit and miss since it isn't known which strain will be doing the rounds each season. Some years the flu vaccine efficacy is diabolical. You may feel rather foolish if you still catch flu and fall off that high horse.

Flu and covid vaccines are nothing like childhood disease vaccines, which I'm sure most people would agree are in everyone's interest to have (although still no need for the smug attitude).

I would also just read back how you speak to people. Honestly, it's in your interest to have more self awareness around how you are with others.

I just do it, and am glad to be able to. So far had pneumococcal, flu, covid, and next up is Shingrix although I have to pay for that and it's a tad expensive. I saw my brother with shingles, and the pain and discomfort he went through was unreal. I think that's all of them. Unless I've forgotten anything!

So do I. Why on earth would anyone deliberately expose their children to horrible diseases when there are very safe vaccines, some with decades and decades of safety data available to them, free of charge?
Good grief some people in the western world have become so complacent.

Vaccinations for measles/polio and other serious illnesses no brainers

Flu… yes if you’re elderly or vulnerable but for fit people, a couple of days in bed with a hot water bottle usually does the trick.

I get anything I’m offered without a second thought. I’ve had my flu jab already for this year, and I had all my covid jabs. I didn’t feel great after one of them, but the rest were all fine.

That's terrible. A dose of Covid itself rather than the vaccine triggered psoriatic arthritis in me and it's not fun. Auto-immune diseases tend to be triggered by a viral load so virus or vaccine can trigger it.

Is your mother on a biologic? They are more targeted than the traditional meds and so you're less likely to get infections. If she's not on one, I would start looking for one very loudly. I'm lucky that in Ireland I was put straight on a biologic but I know in the UK you have to fail on a certain number of the cheaper meds before they will put you on them.

Yes, “look at childhood vaccinations as evidence that having multiple vaccines doesn’t confuse the immune system”

Source of what?

You’re in the majority though OP (even if it’s quieter)!

i never said that. I just said that my dad had hers all singly and in hospital after her 2nd baby one. That was phone 999 by ooo and ambulance straight to hospital. I’d much rather it hadn’t have happened.

In the press? Which press do you mean? I only know conspiracy theorists who bang on against vaccines in general.

Certainly.

Stating that the Covid jab was 'safe and effective' when due to a sheer lack of time, it wasn't possible for them to state that with any confidence. It would have been honest to say 'given the needs of the pandemic and limited time we are as confident as we can be (ie not very confident) that this vaccination is safe and effective.'

Not being open and transparent about the fact that, yes, covid could kill you, but the jab could also kill you and not publicising the fact that it did kill people. By 2023, the EU had linked 11, 448 deaths to covid vaccines.

I am all in favour of vaccinations - they are an amazing, simple and effective intervention. But covid vaccinations were mishandled horribly and now people have lost faith. Being honest would have been far better, but the powers that be believed they had to lie to ensure everyone was compliant. It's such a stupid, destructive approach that has led to the drop in other vaccination rates, because people can't see that the lying and dishonesty in covid vaccines doesn't apply to vaccines like the MMR.

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That getting vaccines in a short space of time confuses your immune system?

Smug and judgemental. You sound like a right peach. Be careful on your soapbox.

Sorry to hear you’ve been suffering. I don’t believe she is on a biologic, I’ll suggest that to her. She’s Irish too but lives in UK.

I had that reaction from a female colleague last year. Mentioned my arm was a bit sore from it and she acted horrified and truly concerned and went into a long monologue of how dangerous vaccinations are, how I needed to drink lots of water to flush the toxins out and that it takes years for the body to heal from damage vaccines do and that they're the cause of cancer when people don't manage to clear the toxins.

Shocked me as she otherwise seemed quite level headed until that point!

Thanks.

If at all possible I would suggest you go with her to the rheumotologist and advocate for her. I'm not doubting she's capable but they tend to take you more seriously if you have someone else advocating too.

There is an auto-immune board here under health. I would suggest asking on there how best to advocate as I'm not familiar with the UK system other than what I have read.