To find salary offered an insult?

[Willowtree5]

As part of a restructure, I have been asked if I would take on three direct reports (I currently don’t manage anyone, but have in the past - big pull of current role was no line management responsibility).

I said I’d consider it - whilst I know I can manage people, it does add to my workload and the ‘mental load’ of dealing with all the crap around sickness/absence, 1:1’s etc.

My manager said she’d establish what additional uplift to my salary would be possible and let me know.

They’ve come back with an offer of £125,000 (current salary pre bonuses £105,000) which I find frankly insulting given the workload this would add.

AIBU to tell them to stuff it?

Tell me you've never worked for a charity or in the public sector without telling me you've never worked for a charity or in the public sector.

I don't think it's an insult. You obviously aren't happy with it so decline the offer but don't think there's any need to take offence, it's a very high salary.

Well for example a graduate role in an investment bank is around £55k these days I think. 21 year old straight out of university.
Generalising I know but in finance, law or technology, in all of those careers you’ll be earning £100k with about 4 years experience excluding bonuses.

Really how about 80% of the comments sound here!

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Which is insane as it's not that hard and the actual skills you need have reduced drastically with AI. I say that as one of these people 😅

oops , I think I might be ND!

I run a team of 60 with 40 of those being my direct reports. Those numbers have increased from 30 and 10 4 years ago and I've only ever had the standard % increase despite a hugely increased workload. In fact, one year, there was no pay increase for my team, so I refused to accept the one offered to me

I'd say dont take it. Mainly for the sake of those who would be reporting in to you. You can only manage people well if you actually want to.

I've never been given a pay rise for managing people. I get pay rises for doing a good job. The two don't necessarily go hand in hand

But that sort of applies to you too. Why get offended when you’re negotiating?
What salary were you expecting?

I think your attitude is awful. Don’t take the job. To view that percentage increase as an insult is just wrong. Don’t inflict your attitude on others.

You're taking the absolute piss op
50 grand to manage a handful of people most people take on management responsibility with little to no uplift

Must surely be a wind up.

I earn under 50k and line manage 18. Clearly in the wrong industry.

Yeah I bet this is a wind up.

And if not, then given you are in the finance industry - enjoy the dying days of your career. Snap their hand off now. Because with AI all these high paid finance/law/city jobs will be gone within the next 5-10 years. You may look down on those who work in the NHS, but at least they do something of value, and will have a job in the future.

Jeeeeez I earn £38k and line manage 8 people and deliver my own service. In London! Not private sector though.

That's an excellent raise, and now your bonus will be on the increased amount, also company pension amount.

If you want to negotiate a little higher, maybe another 10 but wouldn't push it too far.
Can you mitigate the tax with pension contributions?

Why? There are lots of people earning well over 100k doing stress free jobs with very little responsibility.

depends on what the market rate is for similar job and responsibilities? Ultimately, if you really do not want to people- manage then no salary amount will be worth it.

Not in accountancy or IT you won't unless you do exceptionally well as a salesperson or on some very rare fast track thing or a lucky start up pioneer. Nearer the 40k mark after 4 years.

It really is a race to the bottom, isn't it?!

Some of the comments are horrible on this thread - the envy is palpable.

@Willowtree5 I'm glad you know your worth, and I'm glad you won't settle for less than your worth, unlike the dozens on here.

I'd just advise that before you counter offer the £150K that you've run the numbers through a really good salary calculator, so you know exactly where you are tax wise.

As for the people thinking the £20K rise is amazing, they don't seem to realise the tax payable on that.

Good luck Willow.

Thank you very much - agreed, sadly - do better, DMumsnetters!

Crikey. I didn’t take it as an insult that I was offered a 10% uplift to manage 6 people (and my salary is just under £40k) I just decided it wasn’t worth the hassle and politely declined.

AIBU £20k pay rise?
13 OP posts exclaiming you are not.
This wasn’t really a question. I don’t see the point.

Exactly. It annoys me that Mumsnet allows this. It's so offensive to people who are struggling whilst this prick gets her kicks from pretending she earns so much money. It's a sad little life that the OP lives. Trolls are annoying when they're making daft stories up but when they're making this kind of bullshit up, it's pretty low.

This thread illustrates why there is such a pay gap between men and women. People on here usually blame it on having children but actually it seems like women’s attitude and lack of self worth is to blame. It appears that most of you are happy to work for a pittance and think OP is taking a piss for wanting to negotiate. A man would never NOT negotiate. And btw £125k is an extremely average salary in finance/law, especially in London.