Ian Watkins Dead

[Americano75]

Gosh, how sad. (100% sarcastic)

https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/ian-watkins-dead-lostprophets-paedophile-36052854

I’m fairly sure I read in the sentencing remarks at the time that the children will have been told when they are old enough. Horrific as it is they’re going to wonder why they don’t live with their mums and children have a right to know their past of course. I hope they are given the support they’ll need

He'd shown the woman who reported him child sexual abuse images, so they could have got him on possession/possibly distribution? of said images.

Good riddance to bad fucking rubbish !

Good.

She had evidence of previous crimes. Had they acted on her repeated reports rather than by dismissing her as a bitter headcase ex/fan, he should have already been in prison with no career long before additional crimes were committed.

• 29 December 2008 - Joanne Mjadzelics' reported Watkins to Pontypridd Child Services for inappropriate conduct with a child
• 31 December 2008 - Rhondda children's services received a handwritten letter from Ms Mjadzelics
• 8 January 2009 - Meeting held to discuss allegations, police investigation opened
• 28 March 2009 - Ms Mjadzelics is interviewed by West Yorkshire Police
• 1 June 2009 - Investigation officially closed by South Wales Police
• 4 October 2010 - Report made to the Met Police by someone else of "disturbing comments" made by Ian Watkins
• 29 May 2011 - Ms Mjadzelics sent email to ACPO claiming Watkins had raped a young child
• 21 September 2012 - Watkins is arrested and bailed and his computers seized

Let's go all the way and have the death penalty, or, if we don't want that, let's not let our prisoners kill each other.

That our prisons are in the prisoners' control is not something to celebrate.

I loathed the man and find his crimes so abhorrent I can barely think about them. It's still not right that we allow this to happen in our prisons and that people think it's great news that it did.

Yes sorry - I completely misread you initially and have since realized and acknowledged that - my bad.

They could do the right thing and sign over any rights/money/assets to child abuse charities though rather than profit from him.

Who is this mysterious “they” that all have VPUs? Because it’s not HMP. Many prisons run on what we call a “fully integrated regime”. Meaning all, but the extremely vulnerable, are housed together and follow the same regime together regardless of offence. The only common denominator is their category status.

The prison in question here has run in this way for a long time, with a very small number of prisoners on any kind of VP status. If they require a VP unit and it’s appropriate then they’d generally be shipped out to another cat A jail that has a VP wing.

Do you want to share where you’re getting your info from that you can confidently say it’s bollocks that uk prisons often run an integrated regime? I mean, I can go back and tell them LiveLoveLaughWhatever says we’re doing it all wrong if you like? 😅

The poor babies mothers presented them to him for abuse didn't they? They are also in prison?

A lot of people who claim to be against the Death penalty are actually not being honest as this thread shows. We all have a case where the death penalty would fill us with an absolute sense of glee and relief. I dont mourn this man and think that the death penalty should be offered to convicts on demand as assisted dying is to the general population.

I’m guessing though that there’s probably many many incidences of debt between prisoners which build up sometimes. And I assume the debtors are probably threatened, intimidated, beaten, but I can’t imagine someone being killed because of it. I would think more likely killed for their crime than for an unpaid debt.

Couldn’t have happened to a nicer bloke. Good fucking riddance.

My rhoughts exactly, I hope that the girls visiting him are kept an eye on aswell, because I would be deeply concerned if any of them have children or have them in the future as they were so enamoured with such a sick, twisted,evil paedophile.

I'm certainly not against the death penalty.

Not at all. We're not mind readers. It's more difficult to understand the intention when it's written, without verbal nuance to back up intended meaning.
Some people get mixed up with the subject matter and this is probably what many thought/presumed you had done.

If I was you I would've just explained that it was meant sarcastically......it's not hard to clear things up. It "on you" for not being very nice and trying to demean people for something that wasn't obvious for many many people. (Neither of my parents are English so we weren't brought with sarcasm).

I always wonder why some women are attracted to vile, abusive, violent murderers, and pedophiles? Baffling.

I did explain, very quickly. And I don't think sarcasm is exclusive to English speakers is it? What an odd thing to say.

Now, I think we've picked this bone clean, don't you?

@DramaLlamacchiato me too. One hell of lot to absorb and process. There could be adverse physical, sexual, emotional and psychological effects for a very long time.

You wonder about the parents of the young women who went along and helped him. If the children will ever have contact with the wider family.

Exactly this. 'The state has no right to take a life' and yet when some fellow lag does it there's a sense of relief, like some huge poisonous boil has been lanced. If Axel Rudakubana was murdered tomorrow, the reaction would be tenfold what today's has been. We've clearly always been a bit like this - I think centuries ago, the executioners were men who were convicted murderers themselves, it was a way out of the moral dilemma about taking another life, which was forbidden in the Ten Commandments - delegate it to someone who was already 'damned'.

I don't understand this either. The amount of murderers/paedophiles etc. who get 'fan' mail is utterly disgusting.

If anyone has ever watched American Murder: The Family Next Door on Netflix - Chris Watts who murdered his pregnant wife and two young daughters gets 'love letters' sent to him in prison:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/crime-law/2018/12/22/hes-jailed-life-after-murdering-his-wife-kids-so-why-do-women-send-him-love-letters/

It makes no sense to me. This was an interesting read however:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hybristophilia

Sorry for the tangent!

Two men aged 25 and 43 have been arrested in connection.

Context is king- in any language, not just English. There are languages which do not have sexed pronouns or tenses but people understand what is being said by context. In contrast a droll "how sad" is absolutely bloody obvious.

Physical contact allowed between prisoners and their visitors? I would have thought not due to the opportunity to pass drugs over .

No, this isn’t like owing your mate a fiver. The debts also aren’t always important in their value as such, since the price tag on everything inside is vastly greater than any street cost you’re imagining. It’s all about saving face and keeping your status. It’s a hierarchy of sorts.

There is a status element of attacking certain prisoners, of course. That’s why Huntley is such a target, the status of being the one lauded in the media, and why I take an issue with the “give that man a medal” posts.