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Do you believe in God/a higher power?

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CuriousAboutWhatYouThink · 08/10/2025 07:09

Not religion. I have no time for organised religion and the associated man made rules.

But do you believe in 'something'?

For context, my grandad was a CofE vicar but my parent rebelled against it and we were brought up broadly l in the religion (eg we celebrated main religious festivals like Easter and Christmas) but not as practising Christians and without a particular belief in God.

As an adult, I have friends of different faiths and none and it's something we have discussed from time to time. It's also something I used to discuss with my grandma who had a very strong belief in God but also believed the Bible until she became older when she still had a strong faith but admitted she thought the Bible was largely nonsense!

I suppose I've always felt that there is 'something' but I refer to it as the universe. I don't know, I always feel that there has been 'something' looking out for me.

That doesn't mean bad things have never happened because they have and religion/belief doesn't protect anyone from that. And it doesn't mean my life is anywhere near perfect because it's not. But the universe has always seemed to 'step in' when needed.

I don't know. I'm going through a tough time at the moment but I have a feeling everything will turn out to be OK because it always does.

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RedAdmirals · 10/10/2025 09:47

thisishowloween · 10/10/2025 09:45

Why not?

I don't know, that's why I asked.

Maybe you are scared just in case there is something in it after all?🙂

thisishowloween · 10/10/2025 09:48

RedAdmirals · 10/10/2025 09:40

I believe it is right (for me) and if I am wrong then I will find out eventually.

I'm not going to lose sleep over it.

And why are you so interested in what I believe? I respect all freedom of religion but I'm not too bothered about what a Quaker believes, for example, as it doesn't affect me.

I’m not bothered - believe whatever you like, it’s no skin off my nose. But this is a thread about whether or not you believe in God, so people are bound to disagree with each other and ask questions.

On a personal level, religion makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever - I just find it fascinating that so many people live their lives by something that they have no evidence of.

They can also rarely explain why their God is the real one and all the others are wrong. I mean, if you’d been raised in a Muslim country do you still think you’d believe in a Christian God?

thisishowloween · 10/10/2025 09:49

RedAdmirals · 10/10/2025 09:47

I don't know, that's why I asked.

Maybe you are scared just in case there is something in it after all?🙂

Nope, not in the slightest 🤣

I just find it all fascinating. I’m autistic though so I don’t really understand blind faith in random things like God.

thisishowloween · 10/10/2025 09:50

GirlonaCloud · 10/10/2025 09:44

Most Christians view faith as involving some sort of personal trust. The trust aspect of faith is simply ignored by the “no evidence” definition.

Trust in what though?

You won’t get an answer.

ChristmasSlacker · 10/10/2025 09:50

No.

Nor do I believe in spirits/ghosts, leprechauns or the Loch Ness monster. I don’t believe in anything that there is no evidence for.

I would love to have reason to think I’ll see my dead loved ones again. But me wanting it to be true doesn’t make it true.

I think the belief in those sorts of imaginary things CAN bring comfort. But that doesn’t make them true.

GirlonaCloud · 10/10/2025 09:50

Most religions seem to me to be an 'acceptable' face of dictatorship.

Where the 'high priests' live in their palaces and tell the 'people' how to behave, based on nothing more than a 'belief' .

Yes, there are religions which dismiss worldly goods but you only have to look at the Vatican or Lambeth Palace to see not all. Historically, in the UK, church leaders had a better standard of living, even if they were in large cold vicarages, but they were a lot better off than their congregation, usually living in slums.

And the amount of corruption that's now been exposed, especially by the Catholic church, makes me even more sceptical.

RedAdmirals · 10/10/2025 09:50

thisishowloween · 10/10/2025 09:49

Nope, not in the slightest 🤣

I just find it all fascinating. I’m autistic though so I don’t really understand blind faith in random things like God.

OK, so we'll agree to differ.

GirlonaCloud · 10/10/2025 09:52

thisishowloween · 10/10/2025 09:49

Nope, not in the slightest 🤣

I just find it all fascinating. I’m autistic though so I don’t really understand blind faith in random things like God.

Not sure what being autistic has to do with it.

RealPerson · 10/10/2025 10:13

ChristmasSlacker · 10/10/2025 09:50

No.

Nor do I believe in spirits/ghosts, leprechauns or the Loch Ness monster. I don’t believe in anything that there is no evidence for.

I would love to have reason to think I’ll see my dead loved ones again. But me wanting it to be true doesn’t make it true.

I think the belief in those sorts of imaginary things CAN bring comfort. But that doesn’t make them true.

The two things aren't mutually exclusive. I don't really believe in God in the traditional sense, I do think there is something there but I don't know what it is. But all my life I just have this knowing that I won't really die

Lemonadepie · 10/10/2025 10:17

thisishowloween · 10/10/2025 09:31

Yes! You articulated it much better than I did - particularly the part about being a bad person because you don’t believe in God.

I also find it fascinating that so much of it is cultural and depends on where you were born. The vast majority of Christians would not believe in a Christian God if they’d been born in Iraq, for example.

Exactly. If you’d have been born in a community that doesn’t worship a Christian god, do you think you’d still feel the same about your god? Probably not!

thisishowloween · 10/10/2025 10:18

Lemonadepie · 10/10/2025 10:17

Exactly. If you’d have been born in a community that doesn’t worship a Christian god, do you think you’d still feel the same about your god? Probably not!

Nobody ever seems to have an answer for that though - it’s amazing how much religion is based on where you live and who you’re raised by, but for some reason everyone says they just “know” they’d believe in their God anyway? I mean, how can you possibly know that? Confused

earphoneson · 10/10/2025 10:38

Is this thread still going? 666 posts of ‘No’. Lol.

I believe in what I’m taught by science as I find the explanations and the constant checks + testing convincing, even though I don’t fully understand everything.
Most of all, I believe things are quite hard to grasp and prove beyond doubt when you are just a bunch of cells with awareness and some cognition. I mean, all the new things we are finding about time and its relation to space etc is fascinating. And black holes - can’t get my head around that! But finding out, testing, trialling, making mistakes, theorising based on known facts - oh, I believe in all that and I never feel confronted or as if I have to deny or sacrifice any parts of me.

SorcererGaheris · 10/10/2025 10:41

thisishowloween · 10/10/2025 09:48

I’m not bothered - believe whatever you like, it’s no skin off my nose. But this is a thread about whether or not you believe in God, so people are bound to disagree with each other and ask questions.

On a personal level, religion makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever - I just find it fascinating that so many people live their lives by something that they have no evidence of.

They can also rarely explain why their God is the real one and all the others are wrong. I mean, if you’d been raised in a Muslim country do you still think you’d believe in a Christian God?

@thisishowloween

I just find it fascinating that so many people live their lives by something that they have no evidence of.

See, I would contest this. It's true there is no scientific evidence of gods and goddesses, but scientific evidence is not the only form of evidence.

Anecdotes are a form of evidence. Personal experiences are a form of evidence.

You might think they are weak and/or unreliable forms of evidence and not find them convincing yourself, which is fair enough. But they ARE forms of evidence.

Polytheist pagans and occultists believe in gods and goddesses because of personal experiences that we believe are likely with deities and because of the anecdotal data coming from our communities, in which they report experiences that they believe are with deities.

HourlyTime · 10/10/2025 10:43

Shoxfordian · 08/10/2025 07:12

I don't believe in anything

I also find it a little arrogant of people to think the universe is looking out for them, why are they so special? That universe clearly doesn't look out for other people 🙄
Its just random.

I agree.

All the evil in the world and innocent lovely people suffer- who was looking after them?

SorcererGaheris · 10/10/2025 10:44

thisishowloween · 10/10/2025 09:49

Nope, not in the slightest 🤣

I just find it all fascinating. I’m autistic though so I don’t really understand blind faith in random things like God.

@thisishowloween

I'm not sure the autism necessarily has much of an effect on your perspective. (Not saying it can't have any at all.) I'm autistic myself and I'm a polytheist who believes in the existence of all gods and goddesses from all pantheons. I'm also a witch and occultist who believes in the reality of magic, fairies, etc.

GarlicBreadStan · 10/10/2025 10:44

GirlonaCloud · 10/10/2025 09:52

Not sure what being autistic has to do with it.

Because autistic people often need solid proof in order to believe in something. We like to know the finer details, and while we often take things at face value, we also like to be educated on something (so for example, being given hard evidence that something exists)

SorcererGaheris · 10/10/2025 10:46

Lemonadepie · 10/10/2025 10:17

Exactly. If you’d have been born in a community that doesn’t worship a Christian god, do you think you’d still feel the same about your god? Probably not!

@Lemonadepie

Well, I've been born into a community (as well as a country) that isn't polytheist or pagan, and I've ended up a polytheist pagan. Polytheism and paganism are very much minority perspectives/views in the modern Western world, and are often grossly misunderstood and unjustly maligned.

Culture and community definitely have their effect and influence, but they don't necessarily dictate one's ultimate religious path.

thecatneuterer · 10/10/2025 10:49

earphoneson · 10/10/2025 10:38

Is this thread still going? 666 posts of ‘No’. Lol.

I believe in what I’m taught by science as I find the explanations and the constant checks + testing convincing, even though I don’t fully understand everything.
Most of all, I believe things are quite hard to grasp and prove beyond doubt when you are just a bunch of cells with awareness and some cognition. I mean, all the new things we are finding about time and its relation to space etc is fascinating. And black holes - can’t get my head around that! But finding out, testing, trialling, making mistakes, theorising based on known facts - oh, I believe in all that and I never feel confronted or as if I have to deny or sacrifice any parts of me.

It's been a lot more entertaining than just a lot of people saying "no". Yesterday evening's foray into the utterly surreal was wonderfully amusing.

SorcererGaheris · 10/10/2025 10:51

Lemonadepie · 10/10/2025 10:17

Exactly. If you’d have been born in a community that doesn’t worship a Christian god, do you think you’d still feel the same about your god? Probably not!

@Lemonadepie

I was born into a community that doesn't accept the existence of the deities I'm personally interested in. Doesn't affect how I feel about them now.

thecatneuterer · 10/10/2025 10:53

RedAdmirals · 10/10/2025 09:41

You seem to be spending a lot of time trying to discuss this "nonsense", I wonder why?

I can't speak for that poster, but I'm spending a lot of time in this thread because it's both interesting and, yesterday evening particularly, immensely entertaining.

SorcererGaheris · 10/10/2025 10:55

@thisishowloween

I'd recommend reading this blog post by pagan and witch Morgan Daimler to get an insight into the reasons why people believe in things beyond the material.

The blog post is about belief in fairies (fairies are very much a part of Morgan's personal practice and she is an expert on Irish Celtic fairies in particular) but what she says also applies to belief in deities, from a polytheist perspective.

^https://www.patheos.com/blogs/agora/2020/01/irish-american-witchcraft-do-i-believe-in-fairies/^

"I have had experiences that lead me to understand fairies the way I would geysers, or squirrels, or cicadas – I know they exist, although I may or may not encounter them regularly. So it seems odd to me to say I believe in them, as it would to say I believe in geysers, but I understand that in common parlance people say ‘believe’ because fairies aren’t considered an objective phenomena.

Like many things, including ghosts, which fall outside scientific study but may be widespread in cultural material, fairies tend to draw a range of responses from people from unrelenting skepticism – no evidence will convince the person – to excessive superstition – everything is blamed on them, despite evidence to the contrary. I try to maintain a middle ground and retain my understanding of fairies while also looking at all the likely possible explanations. If I hear strange music, before I assume it’s fairies I rule out possible human and technological sources, for example. Occam’s Razor is a useful approach to have with this, in my opinion.

Having said that, I realize that the first response many people may have to a claim in belief in fairies is to say that any individual’s experiences can be a mistaken interpretation. Of course that’s true of absolutely every human experience because humans are receiving sensory input through physical mechanisms that can make errors and filtering that input through their own mental perceptions, expectations, and schema. That’s just how humans work, and it’s why eyewitness testimony to events can vary from one person to another in a group who all witnessed the same thing.

As much as we like to believe that there is an absolute reality out there that we are seeing, from a human point of view we live in a consensus reality. This is something acknowledged in psychology, where a diagnosis is supposed to take into account a person’s cultural background and the beliefs considered normative in that culture. In other words it’s not considered delusional to believe in fairies if you come from a culture that believes in them, because that belief informs your reality.

My reality includes fairies as both a cultural concept and an experienced subject. Like my experiences with anything else, some of these encounters have been brief, shallow, and in passing while others have been deeper, more involved, and more complex. But for me part of what helps move the subject from a belief to a known is that I have had shared experiences with others in a group and have people I trust who have also had their own unique experience, including people with no previous strong belief or understanding of fairies. Another thing that helps make this more objective to me is things which have occurred that were tangible phenomena, things that moved or appeared with no human-world explanation. For me it’s simply too much over too long a period to even question the reality of it anymore."

Irish-American Witchcraft: Do I Believe In Fairies?

My reality includes fairies as both a cultural concept and an experienced subject. Like my experiences with anything else, some of these encounters have been brief, shallow, and in passing while others have been deeper, more involved, and more complex.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/agora/2020/01/irish-american-witchcraft-do-i-believe-in-fairies/

thisishowloween · 10/10/2025 10:55

thecatneuterer · 10/10/2025 10:53

I can't speak for that poster, but I'm spending a lot of time in this thread because it's both interesting and, yesterday evening particularly, immensely entertaining.

Pretty much the same reasons as me! Even though I’m not religious I find the whole subject oddly fascinating.

Parker231 · 10/10/2025 10:57

thecatneuterer · 10/10/2025 10:53

I can't speak for that poster, but I'm spending a lot of time in this thread because it's both interesting and, yesterday evening particularly, immensely entertaining.

I’m interested in why some people believe and others of us don’t?

SorcererGaheris · 10/10/2025 10:59

Parker231 · 10/10/2025 10:57

I’m interested in why some people believe and others of us don’t?

@Parker231

Some people (quite a few) have experiences that cause them to believe, and also put stock in the testimony of others who speak about their personal experiences.

ChristmasSlacker · 10/10/2025 11:02

SorcererGaheris · 10/10/2025 10:41

@thisishowloween

I just find it fascinating that so many people live their lives by something that they have no evidence of.

See, I would contest this. It's true there is no scientific evidence of gods and goddesses, but scientific evidence is not the only form of evidence.

Anecdotes are a form of evidence. Personal experiences are a form of evidence.

You might think they are weak and/or unreliable forms of evidence and not find them convincing yourself, which is fair enough. But they ARE forms of evidence.

Polytheist pagans and occultists believe in gods and goddesses because of personal experiences that we believe are likely with deities and because of the anecdotal data coming from our communities, in which they report experiences that they believe are with deities.

No. Anecdotes aren’t evidence.

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