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To think British people just hate anyone making good money

195 replies

Newusernameeeee · 07/10/2025 15:11

I have seen countless posts where a poster who is high earner and will mention struggling and then they will get barrage of hate on being a high earner.
Most people on MN support the fact that anyone making over 100k shouldn't get free funded hours or child benefit as if their DC don't deserve anything.

Similarly seen so much hate on landlords and landladies as if everyone should give away their homes for free to other people. Even if they did sell it all, then there won't be much houses available for the renters.

Have seen hatred on big corporation and tech and even small businesses for charging £5 for a coffee.
Why do British people hate anyone making decent money or doing entrepreneurship? Are we in a race to bottom? Why can't we take inspiration from others who are doing well and try to do better for ourselves than the endless envy?

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Ireolu · 07/10/2025 20:22

When DH parked up our new/expensive car a few months ago, our British NDN looked so upset and uttered the words 'well I know where all the wealth is going'. We are not British born. Weird talk but we weren't surprised.

Horsehow · 07/10/2025 20:22

Kendodd · 07/10/2025 19:55

Yes, there should be enough for everyone who wants one, they shouldbe housing of first resort not last resort. Social housing done right is profit making and reduces costs for the state, not increases costs. Council housing shouldn't just be ghettos of poverty and deprivation. What exactly is wrong with the idea of housing the public in public housing? People should be free to choose, rent a house/flat from the council, private rent, or buy your own place.

Totally agree. If there is enough social housing for all and the alternatives are the current extortionate options, social housing will be lived in by all and any stigma will be reduced. We’d live in a society which would feel much more equal.

High housing costs are so damaging for younger people of every income level in this country.

Papyrophile · 07/10/2025 20:23

No @Greenmouldycheese , people like me are not lying. My post above is the absolute unvarnished truth. Our business is modestly successful, but we don't trade with you, and we are not squilionaires. You can't employ our company to do anything for you or your home; our business is resolutely INDUSTRIAL. We do not sell cake or buy toys. We buy stainless steel or cupro-nickel tubes and work on bio gas plants at the tiny level, and on petro-chem at the top end. It's really not about spending £2.50 for a brownie.

Greenmouldycheese · 07/10/2025 20:26

Papyrophile · 07/10/2025 20:23

No @Greenmouldycheese , people like me are not lying. My post above is the absolute unvarnished truth. Our business is modestly successful, but we don't trade with you, and we are not squilionaires. You can't employ our company to do anything for you or your home; our business is resolutely INDUSTRIAL. We do not sell cake or buy toys. We buy stainless steel or cupro-nickel tubes and work on bio gas plants at the tiny level, and on petro-chem at the top end. It's really not about spending £2.50 for a brownie.

What are you talking about? I've never visited your business. I'm always in Costa.

Papyrophile · 07/10/2025 20:30

sleepseeker99 · 07/10/2025 20:19

So about 0.5% of millionaires then. I'm sure we'll cope...

I hope you're happy to make up the financial shortfall they would have spent in your town rather than in Milan. The waitressing job your teen daughter won't have, because the restaurant has closed.

I despair sometimes that people cannot see the link between richer people spending money to support entry level jobs.

Newusernameeeee · 07/10/2025 20:35

Papyrophile · 07/10/2025 20:30

I hope you're happy to make up the financial shortfall they would have spent in your town rather than in Milan. The waitressing job your teen daughter won't have, because the restaurant has closed.

I despair sometimes that people cannot see the link between richer people spending money to support entry level jobs.

Absolutely agree with you. Its unbelievable that so many people act so ignorant of the fact at one UK millionaire will create more jobs and pay more taxes than at least 3-4 families from the lower quadrant and essentially subsidise their livelihood by contributing more to government coffers

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Papyrophile · 07/10/2025 20:37

Greenmouldycheese · 07/10/2025 20:26

What are you talking about? I've never visited your business. I'm always in Costa.

Exactly... you are not my customer.

Greenmouldycheese · 07/10/2025 20:39

Papyrophile · 07/10/2025 20:37

Exactly... you are not my customer.

And I should be gutted about that because?

Papyrophile · 07/10/2025 20:41

I am not aiming my marketing at you. I don't sell anything you want to buy. We are irrelevant to each other commercially. No reason for you to even know my name.

Jumpingthruhoops · 07/10/2025 20:41

InMySpareTime · 07/10/2025 15:18

MN as a whole (if there were even such a hive mind) is quite supportive of high earners and entrepreneurs.
Where high earners will get pushback is on threads calling £100k+ “struggling” or “middle income” when so many manage on so much less.
It’s not the income that’s the issue, it’s the tone deafness.
Most threads about the loss of funded childcare hours have lots of advice on legal ways to reduce net income for a few years, and are generally much more supportive than threads where lower earners try to legally reduce savings or income to keep other benefits.

So you're basically saying high earners aren't ever allowed to moan about their situation? Sorry but that's bullshit!
And I say that as someone on a fairly modest income.

mathanxiety · 07/10/2025 20:47

InMySpareTime · 07/10/2025 15:42

39% of British houses are owned outright (compared with 26% in US), that’s a lot of untaxable property wealth knocking about.
https://www.knightfrank.com/research/article/2022-12-15-which-countries-have-the-highest-proportion-of-mortgagefree-households

Property taxes are levied on property in the US regardless of whether the property is mortgaged or owned outright. Taxes are based on taxable valuation of the property, which is calculated based on a formula that includes estimated market value. It's not an income tax.

Property taxes fund local schools and other public services - parks/rec, police, meals on wheels, library, etc.

Papyrophile · 07/10/2025 20:52

Which would be a better way to tax property ownership here too. I would be happy to pay 0.5% of my home's value annually. It's unlikely to be more than £200 different.

BalloonLabboon · 07/10/2025 20:54

taxguru · 07/10/2025 15:29

A lot of it is jealousy. Far too many people in the UK hate successful people because of the green eyed monster. Rather than try to improve themselves, they want to drag everyone else down to their level.

Ok but why would anyone be jealous of high earners who come on here and claim they’re struggling????

Neemie · 07/10/2025 20:56

Papyrophile · 07/10/2025 20:12

@Neemie, we don't have a highly competitive job. But in 1991, my DH started a micro-business, with money saved during five years working overseas. The first year it operated, he paid to keep it going; in year two, it paid most of its overheads and in year three, it paid him back a little bit. In the background, my business kept food on the table, paid the rates and the mortgage. Since 1995, the business has washed its face more years than not. Our customers return, and we are not ripping off Joe Public because we don't sell anything at consumer level. We employ six people, none on minimum wage, and at 70 DH would like to retire without leaving our clients in the lurch, and making sure that the two people who have worked for us for 20 years have a solid redundancy package. How much more fair could you ask any business to play? I know from your attitude that you do not have a clue.

I think this is about someone else’s post. I don’t have any attitude about any type of work or earnings and I didn’t mention fairness or businesses at all.

CuckooPond · 07/10/2025 20:57

BalloonLabboon · 07/10/2025 20:54

Ok but why would anyone be jealous of high earners who come on here and claim they’re struggling????

Especially when this is an anymore internet forum where we could all be coming on to moan that our diamond shoes are too tight, and we can barely keep the wolf from the ancestral portico.

defrazzled · 07/10/2025 20:57

nomas · 07/10/2025 15:34

The US population is 6 times that of the UK, so per capita it's not that far apart.

Edited

are you counting in $ for the US and £ for the UK as that is how the stats were presented when I googled (only a quick search) so it is very similar. I am a high earner but neither show off nor plead poverty so I don't get any hate tbh.

beaniebabby · 07/10/2025 21:00

We have an incredibly distorted house market with a lot weighted to when you are born hence why landlords aren't always popular.

Salaries have seen little growth for years, add inflation, fiscal drag and COL and plenty don't understand why their salary isn't stretching so far.

As to the 100k childcare thing - those of us lucky enough to earn that don't need assistance, it's not about deserving.

Child benefit and free hours should be universal as they are in many countries.

beaniebabby · 07/10/2025 21:03

We should not be giving benefits to people who should not need them and if you need them on 100k there is only yourself to blame.

Child benefit used to be universal.

Papyrophile · 07/10/2025 21:03

I don't think I said anything about struggling now, but take me back to the mid 1990s and I vividly recall DH sitting in the bath telling me he was a few days from calling in the receivers because his business was failing. I also remember a period in the early 2000s when we took nothing at all, not a ha'penny, for 18 months. We sold every asset we had to keep going, and it was just enough.

beaniebabby · 07/10/2025 21:04

There is also too much disparity re wealth and income largely due to housing. You get the pensioner on a small income in their 1m home thinking their neighbour on 100k renting should pay more income tax.

twistyizzy · 07/10/2025 21:06

Kendodd · 07/10/2025 19:48

Vomit for ordinary working people ?

Vomit for the meaningless slogan

beaniebabby · 07/10/2025 21:07

A lot of it is jealousy.

I disagree, we are quite an unequal society and people recognise that. I only got on the housing ladder in London because I had parental help. It's hard to work enough to close that gap.

Papyrophile · 07/10/2025 21:07

@beaniebabby , so how would you run taxation more fairly?

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 07/10/2025 21:07

Not this tired old cliche again….

Papyrophile · 07/10/2025 21:11

Our DC will, like you, buy a house, but outside london, thanks to family subsidy. We earned it, saved and invested it, and are handing it over.