To think British people just hate anyone making good money

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I have seen countless posts where a poster who is high earner and will mention struggling and then they will get barrage of hate on being a high earner.
Most people on MN support the fact that anyone making over 100k shouldn't get free funded hours or child benefit as if their DC don't deserve anything.

Similarly seen so much hate on landlords and landladies as if everyone should give away their homes for free to other people. Even if they did sell it all, then there won't be much houses available for the renters.

Have seen hatred on big corporation and tech and even small businesses for charging £5 for a coffee.
Why do British people hate anyone making decent money or doing entrepreneurship? Are we in a race to bottom? Why can't we take inspiration from others who are doing well and try to do better for ourselves than the endless envy?

Because it's a lot easier to be miserable about it and drag successful people down than it is to actually try. So much that they refer to someone having done well as having an 'inappropriate amount of wealth'.

I just find it sad that people measure wealth in money. There are other forms of wealth besides having some numbers on a computer in a bank.

Be inspired, not envious.

Why do people earn badly though? Did they not prioritise working towards a high paying career while in secondary school? Some people grew up in chaotic households where study was genuinely tricky, others just couldn’t be bothered to apply themselves as teenagers. Some choose low paid work that they find satisfying- artist etc - but they can’t really complain about not having enough money.

Two nursery places at my local nurseries would cost 75-80% of a £100k salary after tax (worse with a student loan still outstanding).

So - being excluded from the scheme is quite a big deal.

But they do need assistance! Gah! How could you be so financially illiterate!

Get over yourself love - unless of course you're being sarcastic and I missed it (which has happened!)

They dont need it, unless they are living beyond their means. I agree with VAT on schools as well.

Tax dodgers have been threatening to leave for decades. Let them.

Why shouldn't wealthy foreigners pay UK income and capital gains tax? From the article you posted:

Under new rules put forward by chancellor wealthy foreigners who have lived in Britain for more than four years will pay UK income and capital gains taxes. If they remain in the country for at least 10 years, their worldwide assets would be subject to inheritance tax at 40 per cent.

It’s so simple. Remove the cliff edges, make benefits universal and increase the higher rate of tax to pay for this. Why should those earning £100k - £125k face a higher marginal tax rate than those who earn more than £125k? It makes no sense at all!

I think most people on MN are higher than average income. A lot of them moan about being broke or too stretched financially while pulling in £200k plus, and that gets on some posters nerves. There's plenty more benefit bashing and ableism than there is contempt for the wealthy on here.

I fundamentally struggle with the idea that ~5% of earners are expected to pay 50% of tax, but then are excluded from utilising the societal benefits that tax funds.

I think something like 3% of people are excluded from using the scheme.

And - there is value to keeping these people working at full throttle (because they pay so much tax). That helps to pay for everyone else.

Furthermore, those caught in this trap are doing all sorts of complicated planning to ensure they can claim it - so the loss to the government of excluding them is possibly larger than the cost of supplying the childcare.

With two in nursery I’m no better off on £150k than on £99,999k. Thats stupid.

Being aware of massive wealth gaps and increasing poverty, and wanting a fairer distribution of wealth and for everyone to have access to housing and healthcare isn’t jealousy. That’s a very reductive and wilfully unrepresentative take that just makes me think the person saying it isn’t very good at critical thinking.

I’m a high earner. I think childcare should be free or heavily subsidised for everyone. You know what would pay for that? Tax. I’d like everyone to be able to afford a home whether they’re on minimum wage or earning six figures. You know what would achieve that? Policies that would be detrimental to me as an individual like rent and house price caps. I’m all for it precisely because I’m fine but a lot of people aren’t.

We should not be giving benefits to people who should not need them and if you need them on 100k there is only yourself to blame.

and perhaps someone who can make 40 or 60k last easily may well be upset that someone who is clearly less clever than they are is earning more.

you are right - we should taper the childcare support so that there isn’t a hard cut at 100k - taper it from 90k

landlords are often exploiting people - wanting the rent to cover the mortgage and all expenses and effectively the renters are buying a house for the landlord. If you can’t see what’s wrong with that - you are not the sort of person I would find inspirational

it’s not envy ; I don’t find people earning lots inspirational. Inspirational is the person who turned down the big bucks job in a finance institution to use their skills to help find dementia treatments.

Money is a means to an end - food on the table and a secure roof - after that it’s about finding what makes you happy . Some rich people I know are lovely - but more are selfish grabby and greedy and full of them own importance because they earn big money - not because of how they contribute to society in any meaningful way

if you have a lot and spend it - tough z if it’s not enough go an earn more- oh isn’t that easy always is it?

Totally agree! I live in a massive house. An annual land tax of 0.5% would double my council tax. I think it’s a great idea. Why should someone living in a house1/10th of the value of mine pay 1/3rd of the council tax I do?

I feel it's just a cultural thing with British people. Anyone who is successful has to downplay their success for fear of looking boastful or arrogant. And anyone who is struggling has a free pass to complain and discuss how unfair life is. We even have a saying "can't complain" when being asked how you are.

I read something asking "besides family, how many people would you tell when you achieved something really great?" the pay rise, becoming a homeowner, reaching your weightloss goal etc. Realistically, you would probably keep it to yourself, for the reasons above.

I think money is just one of the many factors which claims success.

Because it's called tact. Why would I talk about buying a new home to my friend who is still renting and can't afford to buy?

She will know about the house in basic terms (we are moving on x date, housewarming is on x date etc) but why would I pro-actively tell her about the details of the house such as cost unless she asks?

If a landlord cannot cover his expenses- and yes that would include repayment mortgages - then they will leave the rental market? Do you think we want fewer or more landlords? Because Scotland introduced a rent control, 22,000 landlords left the rental market in one year and Scotland has had the highest year on year rent increase since. Reducing landlords sends rental prices soaring. If a 2 bed flat in a nice part of Edinburgh comes on the market the interest is endless. Landlords could charge whatever they like because until we build enough properties people will remain desperate.

Some people are cocks that's all.

Some people who don't have a high income/wealth bracket are envious and dislike others having more.

Some wealthy people think they are far superior and they are cocks as well.

There are rich and poor cocks all over the place.

There are of course some decent, kind, generous people in all income brackets as well.

Yes agreed . It always seem a race to the bottom here where’s Americans embrace success .

I don't think so. I think we just dislike braggers, stealth boasts/posts and people on very good incomes moaning they're skint.

OP one of the key foundational concepts of Britishness is Don’t Complain (Unless About Weather).

You want to try the
not Labour threads OP. There’s a regular one called Labour isn’t working thread 12. They’re OK with people making money

A question: Are you a socialist because you love poor people, or because you hate rich people?
I’m afraid that I know quite a few people to whom the latter applies.

You mean you agree with taxing the education of children. Independent schools have always paid VAT. Interesting that you agree with this when no other country in the world taxes education, you think it makes the UK progressive in some way? It really doesn't, it just makes us look like we hate educating children.

You have a problem with people making money?

Excuse me if I don't take the US as somewhere I want to emulate, right now.

Hmmm - I bet it is.