To ask you to explain the logic - Gary Neville and flags

[BewaretheKraken]

The people putting up the flags are all about freedom of speech, apparently.

Gary Neville says he removed a flag that was being used negatively.

Now the people who love the flags are encouraging us to cancel Sky Sports to get him sacked - for expressing his opinion.

Almost like the whole “freedom of speech” schtick is a load of bollocks.

Wasn't it reported that over 30% of people arrested over rioting in Ballymena had previously been reported for domestic abuse?

I like the concept but what about something to represent Northern Ireland as part of the uk even though it’s not gb

In these situations, the Internet tells the easily-led what to do and it usually means taking some kind of drastic action. It's pathetic, really.

There are a lot of Y Ddraig Coch going up around Wales and I really can’t tell if it’s a reaction against Raise the Colours, or people using our flag in a similar way to be a intimidating. If they ARE using our
flagto be twats i’ll be livid.

And 40% of those arrested in the riots from the summer of 2024 had been reported for domestic violence.

The best outcome would be to do both, wouldn’t it? It’s not an either/or situation. Pay people a fair wage, pay your taxes and also call out this horrendous stuff we see happening on our social media and in our streets.

To be fair, I knocked that image up in about 3 minutes as a concept - I did Google NI flags but couldn't find an official one and the ones I did find seemed to differ depending on Loyalist / Republican affiliation, so I erred on the side of caution rather than risking offending anyone!

And the logic of "Stick to talking about (insert former career here) is ridiculous. Gary Neville has been a property developer since his 20s. I'm sure in private he has lots if interests he likes talking about, as normal people do.

They won’t actually cancel their sky sports they want to watch football, their recently acquired patriotism won’t stop that
Gary Neville is right, flags have not been flown on building sites, anyone saying otherwise is just making things up. And considering who started this movement (a couple of angry white men) I’m not surprised he doesn’t want to be associated with it.
He played for England, he represented the flag I’m sure he doesn’t need to prove his patriotism.

Exactly this.

People are not calling anyone racist for being concerned about immigration or the number of asylum seekers in hotels.

They are calling people racist for blaming the immigrants and asylum seekers for those issues with the encouragement of the people who actually had a hand in causing them to start with.

Many people are concerned about immigration and the asylum backlog - it is the motivation behind those concerns that is different.

For those that don't know, Gary Neville spoke out against Qatar working/living conditions on air during the world cup. Even Rishi Sunsk tried to get him a warning. ITV said he was entitled to air his views. He's spoken out about companies, such as Nike using child labour. He has a platform, knows the wealth floating about sport and should use it. British sport wouldn't be what it is without immigration.

He was literally working for Qatar owned beIN sports in the World Cup so his principles don’t apply when it comes to money. If he strongly believed what he said he wouldn’t have even gone, hypocrisy at its finest.

They don’t like it because what he said is true.

No one had a problem with people flying England flags before. Our very multicultural street had some during the mens world cup. Literally no one saw it as negative. Sadly now I didn't hang any up for the rugby as its been taken as a sign of racism again. And though my close neighbours know I'm not racist I would hate anyone else to feel that I was aligning myself with the far right. Or sending an unwelcome message.
I remember the 1970s and the flag was used in the same way then.
As for saying, the left won't talk about immigration.It seems to be all they are talking about in all political spheres.

Gary Neville is right

Still took the Qatari dollar though didnt he!!
No condemnation of the non existent rights of females nor the execution of gays
He's a f**ing hypocrite 😡

@OwlBeThere , Wales football team are playing this week and next. Hope that’s the reason for more Welsh flags, it certainly is for mine .

Some people aren’t just quietly cancelling Sky Sports, they’re actively campaigning to have him sacked and encouraging others to cancel Sky Sports.

It seems their version of free speech is saying what you like, unless they disagree with it, then it’s fair game to threaten your livelihood.

It's very similar to the way the trans rights activists were complaining about the woman adult human female poster and getting that taken down everywhere.

@LittleJustice - I would argue that the cancellation of subscriptions and calling for him to be sacked is actually more akin to getting the AHF posters taken down.

It's about the motivation behind the action rather than the action itself- I'm GC, and will always argue for the preservation of single sex spaces.

But I'll still call out the demonisation and bullying of trans people by those who will also happily strip women of their rights and abuse children who have the wrong colour skin.

Their actions come from a place of hatred and prejudice and not from a place of wanting to protect women and girls and find a solution that allows everyone to live how they want in peace and safety.

I refuse to join the 'Leopards Eating People's Faces' supporters, just because on the surface we agree that hospitals, prisons and rape crisis centres should be single sex spaces and that children should not be subject to hormone treatments.

Those people also have a high number of domestic abusers and people who think that a woman's place is in the home among their ranks. They want to protect children from things they don't like, whether that is trans ideology or certain books, but are quite happy to sacrifice children's safety, health and happiness to achieve their aims. That is much more damaging to a lot more women and children than the trans movement will ever be.

This 'enemy of my enemy' single issue thinking is largely how the US has ended up where it is and why we are rapidly going in the same direction!

Many people agree with Gary Neville so what’s the problem in that opinion being given a voice as well?

Let them cancel SKY in protest, there are a few games on AmazonPrime, presume Match of the Day is out because you know “woke BBC. So they will be left with streaming it via some middle-eastern service (oh the irony).

I agree with GN. It’s good that he’s speaking up about racism. The premier league is made up of mostly foreign and BAME players.

Do you really really believe that putting these flags up, spraying roundabouts and the march was about bringing the country together? It’s about hate and making people know that they aren’t wanted.

Absolutely it is. I saw that houses this week have had their windows vandalised with a red spray-paint cross of the St George’s flag. People don’t like this type of thing being called out for what it is.

Good on him for using his fame to call for more tolerance.

I think the angry reaction he is getting completely validate his point.

It is so obvious that the recent outbreak of flag shagging was coordinated and had zero to do with being patriotic. It was done by xenophobic and racist people who want to intimate non whites and immigrants. Naive to think over wise.

He is also perfectly right to call out people the type of ''angry white men'' like Farage and his supporters, Jenrick, Vance and the likes who love to fuel the flames of division for their own political benefit.

Frankly I hope more high profile people will speak out the way Gary Neville did.

Funny how the gammons always shout about freedom of speech, yet can't wait to condemn anyone who speaks out using that freedom of speech when they don't agree with their views.

Also as a footballer he has witnessed first hand the awful name calling that non white players face on the football field so no wonder he wants to be part of this debate.