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Thread 18: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film?

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DisappointedReader · 05/10/2025 17:25

Hello all. I've simplified the opening post as I don't think we need to keep reposting all the links, timelines and so on at this stage of proceedings.

The Observer's original exposé: The real Salt Path: how a blockbuster book and film were ...
First thread: To feel disappointed after reading this in The Observer about the author and her husband from The Salt Path book and film? | Mumsnet
Links to threads 2-16, the other 20 Observer articles and videos to date, Raynor Winn/Sally Walker's statement, our timeline and sources can all be accessed in the OP and first few posts of Thread 17: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5403285-thread-17-to-feel-disappointed-after-reading-this-in-the-observer-about-the-author-and-her-husband-from-the-salt-path-book-and-film?

New posters joining us in the genuine spirit of our civil discourse are welcome. It would be helpful to get the background from at least some of the Observer exposé items before posting.
To all - Please be extremely cautious when it comes to naming or implicating people and addresses not in the public eye or with no direct connection to the story, and around the understandable health speculations, especially where details are unclear or still emerging. Remember, even Hollywood rabbits attract the odd flea. Please do not engage with drive-by scolders who seem to have their own agenda and seek to derail. Avoid @'ing and quoting them as - from experience - this will only encourage them back to the threads. We have done amazingly well together for 17 very interesting, very serious and very silly threads so far. I can't be here as much as I'd like so all help with keeping our discussion walking along in our usual reasonable and respectful fashion is very welcome.

Now three months in, if these threads could wear slogan t-shirts they would be Mark Twain's often misquoted 'The report of my death was an exaggeration'. Applications in writing from correspondents seeking supply parcels of fudge and cider will be tolerated.

Here we are again
Disappointed as can be
All good pals and jolly good company
Strolling round the path
Happy on a spree
All good pals and jolly good company

Never mind the weather, never mind the rain
Now that we're together, whoops we go again!
Whoops, we go again
La-di-da-di-da, la-di-da-di-dee
All good pals and jolly good company

Keep to the path. No saltiness. May the fudge and cider be with you.

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HatStickBoots · 20/10/2025 12:36

FishwivesSalute · 20/10/2025 12:30

I'm not imagining her doing anything where she'd come into much contact with anyone else, but she might have been doing something casual, cash-in-hand and seasonal, like cleaning holiday lets somewhere other than Polruan.

That’s very true.

FishwivesSalute · 20/10/2025 12:40

Obviously after that the earnings will have gone up but - what were they living on in the meantime?

SW was running a House of Ill Repute in the Polruan Methodist Chapel. Almost certainly.

(I did have a friend who partly funded herself through her doctorate by doing a sex phoneline gig from home. She would be murmuring a script about some kink or other while peacefully making a pasta bake in her Uggs and fleece, surrounded by piles of books on contemporary philosophy, if you called round.)

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 20/10/2025 12:41

I can't imagine Sal not singing it from the rooftops if she'd had an 'ever so 'umble' job like cleaning. Surely she'd have been telling all and sundry about her 'working her fingers to the bone scrubbing toilets' just to keep her and Tim in Pot Noodle? It would reinforce (to her, obviously) her genuine, salt of the earth nature.

WyldMountainThyme · 20/10/2025 12:45

FishwivesSalute · 20/10/2025 12:33

That's a brilliant website. I am definitely not procrastinating.

(I kind of want a potato cave of my own now. I could start a small publishing house in it if it has enough headroom.)

@FishwivesSalute, that's a lovely idea. I have a couple of ideas for some rather niche books and am wondering if you are pre-booking potential authors.

Would your address have to be a grid reference or maybe a 'what three words'? Lack of wifi and mobile phone connection might be a blessing in disguise.

Thinking about it, 'Niche' might be a very useful word to incorporate into your business name/address, given the potential business address hole in the ground location.🙂

FishwivesSalute · 20/10/2025 12:51

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 20/10/2025 12:41

I can't imagine Sal not singing it from the rooftops if she'd had an 'ever so 'umble' job like cleaning. Surely she'd have been telling all and sundry about her 'working her fingers to the bone scrubbing toilets' just to keep her and Tim in Pot Noodle? It would reinforce (to her, obviously) her genuine, salt of the earth nature.

There you are then. Proof she was definitely running the Polruan House of Ill Repute. Grin

@WyldMountainThyme, I'd say 'Have your people call my people', but as Potato Cave Books has no phone signal, you'd better just show up to my grid reference.

cricketandwhodunnits · 20/10/2025 13:30

Uricon2 · 20/10/2025 11:40

He turned the phone on to speaker, pale and still. Years of work waiting for an outcome.

It's such nonsense, isn't it, @FishwivesSalute ? I was at university a very long time ago when the results were posted on your tutor's door, well they were at my place anyway. I was the other side of the country by then and had arranged with a friend to check them out when he got his, I then rang him. We ALL knew exactly how it would be done and when and were very invested as it was down to Finals and 2 long essays that we didn't have results for.

(Looking back it was a slightly mad way of going about it but we all managed to find out somehow!)

I mean, what would she have preferred, for Penguin to have its headquarters in a daub-and-wattle hut on Dartmoor?

😄

Never noticed this before but yes this is total rubbish. All students have email addresses and there's no way Moth gets through a degree without learning to check his email!!

There can be genuine suspense at this point about what your overall degree classification is because that's not confirmed until all the marks are in. The only way there would be suspense about whether you'd passed your degree would be if you'd consistently failed lots of courses & were relying on your final semester's marks to pull up your numbers/averages to the required level (though even in that case you'd still have options to resit). Or if you'd repeatedly failed a compulsory course & were on your last opportunity to pass it. Or - curveball, suddenly occurs to me - if you had been accused of academic malpractice and were at risk of being kicked out without a degree. But it's not, in fact, very easy to fail a degree if you genuinely do 'years of work'!

mauvishagain · 20/10/2025 21:39

I'm late to the thread today and don't want in any way to offer excuses for the Walkers, but I can assure you that "experienced hillwalkers" (well, I) sometimes do indeed do some crazily unprepared stuff.

There was the time when I bought new walking boots the day before setting off on a week-long point-to-point across a European mountain range. I forget the reason now, it seemed a good one at the time. I had blisters underneath my toenails by the end of the first day and had to cover far too many miles, including across snowfields, in leaky trainers whilst carrying very heavy but very stiff new walking boots. It was still a fab holiday though!

Then there was the time when the ex and I arrived at a campsite in Scotland at about 11pm only to discover we'd forgotten the sleeping bags - we each thought the other had packed them. I can confirm that outdoor shops in the mountainous areas of Scotland do NOT stay open until that time of night!

LetsBeSensible · 20/10/2025 23:55

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 20/10/2025 11:39

I still think she had no way of knowing how successful TSP would be. It might have gone the way of so many memoirs or 'my life outdoors' books and sold a fair amount to the fans of such things, but it's still not enough to give up the day job if you want a steady income. She was pegging A LOT on the book going mega.

I fully agree about her faux naivety though. And repeated use of the words 'literary agent' always make me cringe. It's just an agent. Or use their name. We're not going to suddenly think you mean your theatrical agent, Sal.

Or a spoken-word agent…!

PullTheBricksDown · 21/10/2025 00:23

@mauvishagain what did you do when you realised about the lack of sleeping bags?

I can't decide whether the WinnWalker answer to this would be that they slept frozen on the bare hillside while locals threw stale pasties and pellets of fudge at them, or that a mysterious man appeared and invited them back to his mansion for lasagne and a massage in the warm.

mauvishagain · 21/10/2025 07:31

PullTheBricksDown · 21/10/2025 00:23

@mauvishagain what did you do when you realised about the lack of sleeping bags?

I can't decide whether the WinnWalker answer to this would be that they slept frozen on the bare hillside while locals threw stale pasties and pellets of fudge at them, or that a mysterious man appeared and invited them back to his mansion for lasagne and a massage in the warm.

Well, my gorgeous other half tried to raise some money for new sleeping bags by pretending to be Rob Roy declaiming Rabbie Burns, but the nasty locals threw lumps of stale haggis at us, which we later collected from the heather and ate, as we were so hungry.

Actually, that's a lie. We blamed each other, got cross, then passed a grumpy night trying to sleep without covers but in our coats, before heading to the Green Welly at Crianlarich the next morning to buy new bags.

Uricon2 · 21/10/2025 10:01

@mauvishagain you lost out by not trekking for hours to find a shop selling tablet ( even nicer than fudge IMO) and pinching as much as you could carry, which would have been lots as you didn't have to worry about sleeping bags at that point.

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 21/10/2025 10:03

Uricon2 · 21/10/2025 10:01

@mauvishagain you lost out by not trekking for hours to find a shop selling tablet ( even nicer than fudge IMO) and pinching as much as you could carry, which would have been lots as you didn't have to worry about sleeping bags at that point.

Also, if you eat enough tablet you become sufficiently cushioned by your own blubber layer to not need a sleeping bag.

(I also am a tablet lover and have to be carefully handled in Scottish shops).

Uricon2 · 21/10/2025 10:34

Hwaet! My 60p copy of TSP is finally here (I considered gloves and tongs for handling) Just reading the review quotes on the back induces ick.

KettleSmocks · 21/10/2025 10:36

Uricon2 · 21/10/2025 10:34

Hwaet! My 60p copy of TSP is finally here (I considered gloves and tongs for handling) Just reading the review quotes on the back induces ick.

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Mind that blood pressure, @Uricon2!

HatStickBoots · 21/10/2025 12:27

Reviews from respected publications that definitely helped the sales along, sadly.

Uricon2 · 21/10/2025 12:34

HatStickBoots · 21/10/2025 12:27

Reviews from respected publications that definitely helped the sales along, sadly.

Oh absolutely, things like 'The most inspirational book of the year' (the Times) and 'A beautiful, thoughtful, lyrical story of homelessness, human strength and endurance' (the Guardian) would certainly have helped.

I've shortened the gush from the Independent to 'An astonishing narrative' which I think we can all agree with!

HatStickBoots · 21/10/2025 12:48

Uricon2 · 21/10/2025 12:34

Oh absolutely, things like 'The most inspirational book of the year' (the Times) and 'A beautiful, thoughtful, lyrical story of homelessness, human strength and endurance' (the Guardian) would certainly have helped.

I've shortened the gush from the Independent to 'An astonishing narrative' which I think we can all agree with!

I really do echo Kettlesmock’s concerns about your blood pressure Uricon…. Just dipping into all three every now and again is very triggering for me. I wonder if any of those reviewers have cringed at what they wrote? I hope they’re all doing one of Basil Fawltey’s frog-hops-of-shame.

BeguiledBrandy · 21/10/2025 12:48

Uricon2 · 21/10/2025 12:34

Oh absolutely, things like 'The most inspirational book of the year' (the Times) and 'A beautiful, thoughtful, lyrical story of homelessness, human strength and endurance' (the Guardian) would certainly have helped.

I've shortened the gush from the Independent to 'An astonishing narrative' which I think we can all agree with!

I prefer the way Oscar Burton promotes his own book, about actually walking the SWCP, Any Porth in a Storm:

A story of loss, dereliction, improbable coincidence, hope and responsible defaecation.

izzywizzyletsgetbizzywynthomas · 21/10/2025 13:13

Sounds like something not to be poo-poo'd!

Uricon2 · 21/10/2025 14:34

@KettleSmocks @HatStickBoots I am picking it up and putting it down like it's a particularly venomous snake, I admit. My blood pressure is well controlled usually but not sure about the effect on this weird arrythmia/long QT interval thing that's going on currently.

Maybe sheer fury at the brassness of their necks will jolt my heart back into behaving itself and I could write a book about the miracle cure effected by the Healing Power of Salray. I might go out with Gigspanner and theatrically expand on this, with appropriate slurpy 'before and after' cardiac noises as a change from "tik tak".

I do think some of those reviewers will now not have much fondness for Raymoth.

KettleSmocks · 21/10/2025 15:34

Uricon2 · 21/10/2025 14:34

@KettleSmocks @HatStickBoots I am picking it up and putting it down like it's a particularly venomous snake, I admit. My blood pressure is well controlled usually but not sure about the effect on this weird arrythmia/long QT interval thing that's going on currently.

Maybe sheer fury at the brassness of their necks will jolt my heart back into behaving itself and I could write a book about the miracle cure effected by the Healing Power of Salray. I might go out with Gigspanner and theatrically expand on this, with appropriate slurpy 'before and after' cardiac noises as a change from "tik tak".

I do think some of those reviewers will now not have much fondness for Raymoth.

You’ll have to give us a sign of life at pre-agreed intervals, @Uricon2.

Otherwise you may go quiet and the rest of us won’t know whether you’re just absorbed in TSP or whether you’ve been blue-lighted to hospital because the fudge-stealing or the SA running gag had a bad effect on your arrhythmia…

Though it does strike me that it would be enormously funny if @Uricon2 (or one of the other longterm thread contributors who haven’t read TSP — who else hasn’t? @Vroomfondleswaistcoat or am I getting confused?) read it now and came back to the thread saying ‘Well, this is awkward, and obviously they’re lying toads, but I kind of really like it…?

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 21/10/2025 15:38

KettleSmocks · 21/10/2025 15:34

You’ll have to give us a sign of life at pre-agreed intervals, @Uricon2.

Otherwise you may go quiet and the rest of us won’t know whether you’re just absorbed in TSP or whether you’ve been blue-lighted to hospital because the fudge-stealing or the SA running gag had a bad effect on your arrhythmia…

Though it does strike me that it would be enormously funny if @Uricon2 (or one of the other longterm thread contributors who haven’t read TSP — who else hasn’t? @Vroomfondleswaistcoat or am I getting confused?) read it now and came back to the thread saying ‘Well, this is awkward, and obviously they’re lying toads, but I kind of really like it…?

No, you're right, I still haven't read any of the books. And I don't think I'm going to bother - I've only got so much time left to me and I'd rather use it to read things I'm going to enjoy. Or at least books where I don't want to deal summary retribution to the author.

BeguiledBrandy · 21/10/2025 15:55

KettleSmocks · 21/10/2025 15:34

You’ll have to give us a sign of life at pre-agreed intervals, @Uricon2.

Otherwise you may go quiet and the rest of us won’t know whether you’re just absorbed in TSP or whether you’ve been blue-lighted to hospital because the fudge-stealing or the SA running gag had a bad effect on your arrhythmia…

Though it does strike me that it would be enormously funny if @Uricon2 (or one of the other longterm thread contributors who haven’t read TSP — who else hasn’t? @Vroomfondleswaistcoat or am I getting confused?) read it now and came back to the thread saying ‘Well, this is awkward, and obviously they’re lying toads, but I kind of really like it…?

Great idea re: @Uricon2 - a regular mini-review of what has particularly struck her about TSP?

I haven't read any of them, or listened to them. Although I have dipped into TSP constantly.

I was interested in @FishwivesSalute account of going to Penguin's offices - didn't know about that. Love the idea of the daub-and-wattle hut on Dartmoor - if they had a branch there they might meet some hikers and realise how shallow the SalRay books are (or should I say - sound?).

Uricon2 · 21/10/2025 16:01

I'll sign up for mini reviews! I do get where @Vroomfondleswaistcoat is coming from as my Insomnia Reading Pile is extensive but it might motivate me to plough on with Salray's deathless prose.

If I go missing, send fudge and a defibrillator.

Uricon2 · 21/10/2025 16:29

If I'm feeling particularly foolhardy erm resolute I might even try a compare and contrast of some bits of TSP with Our Simon's Walking Away where they match up route wise.

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