Nearly 500 arrested for support for Palestinian Action Group a proscribed terrorist organisation

[NototerrorismIntheUK]

This is getting ridiculous. The same group, think they can do what they want which includes, using a sledgehammer to attack a person, breaking into a military base and causing millions of pounds worth of damage. Hatred towards Jewish people.

It appears these people feel the law doesn't apply to them. None of the above is peaceful protest. Stronger sentences or fines are needed.

The protests where hundreds of people were arrested were in not about government support for a genocide but were expressing support for a proscribed terrorist group who have already been allowed to appeal their proscription through the courts. The group in question attacked British military planes and put a police officer in hospital. I have literally no sympathy for this ridiculous protest.

And yet they were willing to express a massive "fuck you" to the Jewish community in order to do it.

Awful people. Self-righteous bullshit.

So do you want the genocide to stop or not?

I'm still not clear from this what you think Israel should do.
Stop killing people. Maybe try to act in good faith with those who are trying to broker peace. Perhaps reflect on why the rhetoric is so galling to those forced to hear it.
Recognise that Palestinians are also human beings who deserve human dignity and respect too.

Or why you think it cares about the protests.
I don’t think Israel’s government cares about protests.

Or why you say that your tax money is funding Israel's actions.
Because they do, through arms sales

What do you mean by "Jewish Israelis", by the way?
Israelis who are Jewish as distinct from Israeli citizens who are not.

And to whom are you referring when you say "their supporters in the UK"?
You as an example.

When have those supporters espoused, collectively an ideology saying that Palestinians should be exterminated like rats?
Through their support of the Israeli government, your silence on the matter being assent. Or do you feel that your views are more complex and nuanced than that?

On what evidential basis do you suggest that it is specifically a profit motive that is driving the war in Gaza?
Well you’ll have to tell me whether the profit motive is the foundation stone or just propitious for Trump and his selected Chosen Ones? It is totally irrelevant- it’s like asking whether WW2 was about the Art Collections.

And are you marching against these things? If so, what do your signs say, if you have any?
I haven’t attended any marches, because I am aware that they can be hijacked by those whose views align rather less with mine.
If I did go with a sign it might say “If it was Israeli citizens being blown up, labelled as rats by a government minister and then starved. That would be genocide. It is Genocide.”

"Stop murdering" is a slogan - as I said upthread, what do you want Israel actually to do?

Do you want it to withdraw, unilaterally, from Gaza now, with no peace deal, no return of the remaining hostages, no removal of Hamas and no security to its borders?

Or do you want it to continue fighting this war, but on different terms?

What is it you want, and what is it you want from the UK government?

What would you expect of your own government if we experienced an atrocity equivalent to 7 October from a hostile neighbouring force, committed to our destruction?

Of course I want peace. What a stupid question.

Do I give a shit about whether Palestine Action are proscribed? No

Do you give a shit about the proscription of Palestine Action?

Why do you say that Israel are not trying to broker peace?

Why is it Jewish Israelis whom you single out for criticism?

Why are you again turning this into a personal attack on me? When have I ever suggested that I support the extermination of Palestinians like rats?

Becauase the slide from Jewish Israelis (curious, do you mean religious or racially Jewish? Many Jews in Israel are pro-Palestine, many atheists/people not of Jewish ethnicity are not) to "supporters" has a bit of a tint of antisemitism to me.

As does the suggestion that the war is entirely for a profit motive.

And f it is genocide or not is not proved by the comparison. That is fatuous.

@MrsSkylerWhitewe are talking about people celebrating in the uk though…

@LakesLovely123 how many times have you been to Israel?

I’m trying to envisage what would have happened if during a music festival in the UK (maybe not Glastonbury as it’s notoriously left wing and some of the comments this year were beyond the pale) 2000 young people had been killed and a further 3,400 people had been injured.

So it's ok to damage military equipment and express a fuck you to Jewish people because it expresses that you "want" to "stop the genocide"?

I'd love the war in Gaza to end. There is, however, not a snowball in hell's chance of the Palestine Action criminal damage or the protests actually driving a peace deal. All it does it divert policing resource and whip up anti-Jewish, antizionist and anti-Israel sentiment (seperate, although overlapping, forms of bigotry) two days after a terror attack against a vulnerable minority.

And its curious not a single poster has given you their answer...

Yep

Hopefully we would not shoot innocent children in the head

So it's the manner in which this war is being carried out, rather than the fact of it, that is objectionable to you?

And that justifies criminal damage to military equipment and the diversion of policing resources in this country (two days after a terrorism attack left similarly innocent people dead or injured) when it will have absolutely no bearing upon it?

I suppose people don't shit on their own doorsteps.

The protests largely seem to me like a vehicle to justify antisemitic views and nothing more. They have simply found a way to justify them.

Do you plan to continue the protests even if the peace plan is approved?

I’ll try to come back to your other points at some point today but am busy.

But there are two points I would like to make about this: firstly it’s a hypothetical sign slogan, not a PhD theses, depending on one’s view it will be fatuous or pithy. It isn’t complex discourse.

Secondly: in a situation where the defences against it being genocide include “How many deaths does it have to be before its genocide?” and “It’s not genocide- If we wanted to commit genocide we could have done that in an afternoon on October 8th.” accusations of fatuousness ring very hollow indeed. Can you understand why that is?

Can we agree that if Netanyahu is allowed statements on genocide such as in the second sentence, that it sets the tone and standard which can be used? A short I agree or I disagree would suffice.

Reported

None of it triggered me personally, not being either anti-Semitic, or a snowflake. In any case I didn’t report it as a personal attack but as hate speech.

That implies that it will stop by your marching and by the arrested protesting in support of a proscribed terrorist organisation.

In case you missed it, there's a peace agreement on the table and the PA can appeal in court so neither protest or marching makes a jot of difference since both of those things are already being dealt with.