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Rightsraptor · 04/10/2025 05:38

I agree with you. Nothing else to say, really.

Bogeyes · 04/10/2025 06:09

Sounds like social services are protecting their own

Lostthefairytale · 04/10/2025 06:33

As a former social worker I read the title and was ready to argue. Then I read the article. Although it gives very little detail I can't imagine any context that could give any tiny amount of justification to this. It's an incredible breach of trust.

The victim is right that the social worker should have been charged too. By attending they normalised the abuse making it less likely that the child would be able to, it even understand the need to seek help. They were absolutely part of the abuse and deserve to be punished accordingly.

MidlandsGal1 · 04/10/2025 06:38

No argument here.

Mrswhiskers87 · 04/10/2025 07:15

Are there any other links apart from the daily mail? I refuse to read their articles.

soulofmysoul · 04/10/2025 09:21

Terrible either way but I’m trying to understand if he’s 42 now does that mean he was also young in the early 2000’s so a similar age to his victim? I’m not sure if the mail are misrepresenting with their reporting or if I have missed the point. Either way forced marriage is obviously wrong.

Boomer55 · 04/10/2025 09:23

No arguments from me. The social worker should be held accountable. 🤬

Ddakji · 04/10/2025 09:26

It seems that some social workers are in sway to the currently left wing shibboleths of the day and can’t bring themselves to go against them. See Meade vs City of Westminster and Social Work England for an example of how even the government regulator of social work gets things so appallingly wrong.

Elleherd · 04/10/2025 09:47

@Lostthefairytale I can sadly imagine the SW's justification to themselves, line managers, and those around them, and if you think about it I'm sure you can.

The child was a problem to be solved and it fell to SS to organize solving it.
The child was placed by SS, into the legal foster care of her husband to be's family. The placing is paid for, there's a paper trail. The child was under a care order when care homes failed to provide proper care.

The moment they did that, they left themselves with either having to take responsibility for wrong judgement and mistakes, when the subject of their choices was abused, or double down in covering up and ensuring the placement came right.

As a young teen I was placed by SS with a guardian, who passed my guardianship on to someone else under some sort of umbrella arrangement.
The placing is paid for, there's a paper trail. Guardianship orders are a way to dispose of children being under care orders.
SW met my charming new guardian, and approved of him.

Everything that happened to me my stepchildren, and subsequent children, from that point on, SW could go with it, or take the fall for it.

Later, on my 16th birthday. My SW took me and my children with me, to make an application to have marriage bans reduced to two days. No one batted an eye at a pregnant 16 yr old with toddlers and a baby, because a SW was stood there too.
Freshly minted 16 yr old me didn't bat an eyelid, because I'd been almost permanently pregnant from 13, already married, a housewife and working, and it was sold to me as legitimizing my children under English law.

SW was at my wedding. a remarriage that meant my signature legally exonerated everyone else's involved.

When SW's and the police, make the choice to protect themselves, their colleagues and their careers, over protecting the children they hold power over, yes they should stand trial too, but I'm not sure the will is there to recognize different forms of corruption and abuse or how it becomes generational trauma when YA's discover how they where conceived and born.

caringcarer · 04/10/2025 09:51

Absolutely sickening. That young girl needed help and support and instead SW colluded with rapist. She should be sacked and not allowed to be a SW anymore.

Trodincatsickagain · 04/10/2025 09:59

It’s not the social workers fault though is it? It was the government and local authority that decided to turn a blind eye and sweep it all under the carpet for fear of being accused of racism.

FutureMarchionessOfVidal · 04/10/2025 10:00

Elleherd · 04/10/2025 09:47

@Lostthefairytale I can sadly imagine the SW's justification to themselves, line managers, and those around them, and if you think about it I'm sure you can.

The child was a problem to be solved and it fell to SS to organize solving it.
The child was placed by SS, into the legal foster care of her husband to be's family. The placing is paid for, there's a paper trail. The child was under a care order when care homes failed to provide proper care.

The moment they did that, they left themselves with either having to take responsibility for wrong judgement and mistakes, when the subject of their choices was abused, or double down in covering up and ensuring the placement came right.

As a young teen I was placed by SS with a guardian, who passed my guardianship on to someone else under some sort of umbrella arrangement.
The placing is paid for, there's a paper trail. Guardianship orders are a way to dispose of children being under care orders.
SW met my charming new guardian, and approved of him.

Everything that happened to me my stepchildren, and subsequent children, from that point on, SW could go with it, or take the fall for it.

Later, on my 16th birthday. My SW took me and my children with me, to make an application to have marriage bans reduced to two days. No one batted an eye at a pregnant 16 yr old with toddlers and a baby, because a SW was stood there too.
Freshly minted 16 yr old me didn't bat an eyelid, because I'd been almost permanently pregnant from 13, already married, a housewife and working, and it was sold to me as legitimizing my children under English law.

SW was at my wedding. a remarriage that meant my signature legally exonerated everyone else's involved.

When SW's and the police, make the choice to protect themselves, their colleagues and their careers, over protecting the children they hold power over, yes they should stand trial too, but I'm not sure the will is there to recognize different forms of corruption and abuse or how it becomes generational trauma when YA's discover how they where conceived and born.

I am so terribly sorry to hear this awful story. I don’t wish to pry into your circumstances (victims are anonymous for a reason) but I wonder if you have had any therapy and support from any rape support organisations, or professionals, & if you have been advised about the legal position, given you were clearly the victim of appalling sexual abuse. It is terrible to think of what you must have gone through as a child - all facilitated and abetted by a social worker.

i have recently been reading a book called ‘Kincora: Britain’s Shame’ about the sexual abuse in Kincora Boys’ Home and am starting to think that children’s residential care is a magnet for the very worst type of individuals.

Hibernatingtilspring · 04/10/2025 10:09

Ddakji · 04/10/2025 09:26

It seems that some social workers are in sway to the currently left wing shibboleths of the day and can’t bring themselves to go against them. See Meade vs City of Westminster and Social Work England for an example of how even the government regulator of social work gets things so appallingly wrong.

Why on earth would you think that a social worker supporting a conservative patriarchal and abusive arrangement was 'lefty'? And for the other social worker saying 'she' should be sacked, 'Anwar' is usually a male name.

This goes totally against social work values. It seems more likely that the social worker took a route that was related to their personal beliefs as there is no way this would be condoned by the profession. It reminds me of what happened in my mum's generation when 'fallen' young women where encouraged to marry their abusers to 'save their reputations'. Fortunately most of us have moved on from those times.

CandleMug · 04/10/2025 10:09

Absolutely abhorrent. To think SW are there to protect kids and this poor child was placed in to this monsters family and made to marry it. Poor child

GagMeWithASpoon · 04/10/2025 10:13

Trodincatsickagain · 04/10/2025 09:59

It’s not the social workers fault though is it? It was the government and local authority that decided to turn a blind eye and sweep it all under the carpet for fear of being accused of racism.

By attending the “wedding” the SW was 1. complicit 2. legitimised the whole sordid affair 3. made it clear to the victim that no one gives a shit. They were responsible for this girl’s safety and well being. Attending the ceremony was an active act. A statement.

ACatNamedRobin · 04/10/2025 10:15

Fully agree OP.
It's in the same vein as the Rotherham sickening crimes - some people cannot be accused of doing anything wrong.

zazazaaar · 04/10/2025 10:16

@Elleherd I am so sorry that this happened to you. I hope you are in a better situation now.

Ddakji · 04/10/2025 10:19

Hibernatingtilspring · 04/10/2025 10:09

Why on earth would you think that a social worker supporting a conservative patriarchal and abusive arrangement was 'lefty'? And for the other social worker saying 'she' should be sacked, 'Anwar' is usually a male name.

This goes totally against social work values. It seems more likely that the social worker took a route that was related to their personal beliefs as there is no way this would be condoned by the profession. It reminds me of what happened in my mum's generation when 'fallen' young women where encouraged to marry their abusers to 'save their reputations'. Fortunately most of us have moved on from those times.

Lots of lefties support conservative, patriarchal ideologies if those ideologies belong to a “marginalised, vulnerable minority”, especially when the victims of those ideologies are female. The left can be incredibly sexist. Come the revolution we all know which comrades will be scrubbing floors and wiping bums, don’t we.

Hibernatingtilspring · 04/10/2025 10:23

What a bizarre logical leap to support your own bias @Ddakji It's insulting to the victim that that is your hot take from all this.

Fwiw I've checked and there's no one with that SWs name who has been registered to practice since 2022. Hopefully there will have been some form of action taken, and petals perhaps the publicity of this could allow for it to be looked at again. Though I'm not sure if it could be a criminal matter - not saying it isn't serious enough just that I'm not sure whether it breaks any laws, it certainly should be a fitness to practice issue.

Trodincatsickagain · 04/10/2025 10:28

GagMeWithASpoon · 04/10/2025 10:13

By attending the “wedding” the SW was 1. complicit 2. legitimised the whole sordid affair 3. made it clear to the victim that no one gives a shit. They were responsible for this girl’s safety and well being. Attending the ceremony was an active act. A statement.

I totally agree with all of that but what I’m saying is that there had to be somebody above that social worker that allowed this to happen, the whole department where complicit, as where the government at the time and .it was the general climate and norm to not believe these girls and allow these atrocities to happen.

Foolseverywhere · 04/10/2025 10:32

Yes of course why haven't they been arrested and prosecuted. They are guilty. They have colluded in a crime.
Many other victims had social workers too, councillors, teachers, some, especially councillors, were family of the abusers.
How this once tolerant, high trust and decent society has changed.

What kind of person tends to become a social worker, do you reckon. Someone that likes control and harm and destroying families and lives. Not unlike some of the teachers or councillors. People that like power are rarely good news.

Foolseverywhere · 04/10/2025 10:33

Trodincatsickagain · 04/10/2025 10:28

I totally agree with all of that but what I’m saying is that there had to be somebody above that social worker that allowed this to happen, the whole department where complicit, as where the government at the time and .it was the general climate and norm to not believe these girls and allow these atrocities to happen.

Indeed. They all need to go along with families of the abusers who likely knew and covered up.

Foolseverywhere · 04/10/2025 10:35

GagMeWithASpoon · 04/10/2025 10:13

By attending the “wedding” the SW was 1. complicit 2. legitimised the whole sordid affair 3. made it clear to the victim that no one gives a shit. They were responsible for this girl’s safety and well being. Attending the ceremony was an active act. A statement.

Why aren't they in jail? What is wrong with our society?

Hibernatingtilspring · 04/10/2025 10:38

Trodincatsickagain · 04/10/2025 10:28

I totally agree with all of that but what I’m saying is that there had to be somebody above that social worker that allowed this to happen, the whole department where complicit, as where the government at the time and .it was the general climate and norm to not believe these girls and allow these atrocities to happen.

I don't think you know how social work 'works'
A social work manager only knows what a social worker does by what that worker tells them. And in terms of the 'whole department' I don't have a clue what my colleagues are doing - if I check their diary I might know they're at a core group or 'on a visit' but I wouldn't know what they're doing when they're out there unless they specifically told me, e.g if they needed help.

As a manager you supervise, but given you might have 2 hours a month to supervise and discuss 30 children along with everything else you do in supervision, you rarely get much detail. It's entirely possible that the social worker could have minimised what they shared with the manager, and the manager would be non the wiser. That's why integrity in so important in social work because you have to willing to tell your manager if you're unsure, or struggling, or unsure of your decision making.

In terms of the 'climate' no one recognised grooming the way we do now, twenty years ago. And teenagers were definitely seen as older and more responsible for their own decisions (when you think about it, 16yr olds used to be able to leave school and work full time and move out, that seems ridiculously young now)

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