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ChocolateBoxCottage · 04/10/2025 21:56

Socail care are a law unto themselves at some times. As someone who has complained to the highest level and won, the child doesn't figure. As long as they fed and not dead. I had ten people sit in on my complaint panel and I don't think one of them gave a single shit.

Greentulipriding · 04/10/2025 22:21

Hibernatingtilspring · 04/10/2025 10:55

@Foolseverywhere I don't get your point?
The SW went to the wedding - an islamic ceremony could have been a very short and private 'ceremony' in a situation like this, they're often held in the couples home with minimal people attending. It's entirely possible that a SW could have gone and done so without running it past a manager or telling them what he was doing, or minimising his involvement. It isn't necessarily something that the manager or department would have known about let alone supported.

Sadly Muslim women and girls are not protected under UK law, if there had been a legal aspect to the wedding it couldnt have gone ahead (obviously being illegal due to her age, but if under 18 it would have needed the explicit consent of the director of children's services and that would not have been given, as she was on a care order theres a chance the court would have needed to be notified also)

You are completely unhinged. It's not a ceremony, it is nothing other than colluding in abuse. They aren't a "couple" they are the rapist and the abuser and the victim, a vulnerable child.

Sending shivers down the spine to refer to them as a "couple".

What a sick, twisted mind to put it this way.

Whole communities and professionals were aware and many within it interwined and related, accepting and protecting those who practice it, supporting it.

Oblomov25 · 04/10/2025 22:29

WTF this is disgusting. How anyone can excuse this sw'er is staggering.

JHound · 04/10/2025 22:32

So the social worker was complicit in child abuse? Bury him / her under the jail.

Hibernatingtilspring · 04/10/2025 22:53

Greentulipriding · 04/10/2025 22:21

You are completely unhinged. It's not a ceremony, it is nothing other than colluding in abuse. They aren't a "couple" they are the rapist and the abuser and the victim, a vulnerable child.

Sending shivers down the spine to refer to them as a "couple".

What a sick, twisted mind to put it this way.

Whole communities and professionals were aware and many within it interwined and related, accepting and protecting those who practice it, supporting it.

What is wrong with your reading comprehension? I was explaining what a Nikah is, and how they differ from a UK marriage ceremony. Are you always this quick to reach for your pitchfork?

mathanxiety · 04/10/2025 22:56

Hibernatingtilspring · 04/10/2025 10:55

@Foolseverywhere I don't get your point?
The SW went to the wedding - an islamic ceremony could have been a very short and private 'ceremony' in a situation like this, they're often held in the couples home with minimal people attending. It's entirely possible that a SW could have gone and done so without running it past a manager or telling them what he was doing, or minimising his involvement. It isn't necessarily something that the manager or department would have known about let alone supported.

Sadly Muslim women and girls are not protected under UK law, if there had been a legal aspect to the wedding it couldnt have gone ahead (obviously being illegal due to her age, but if under 18 it would have needed the explicit consent of the director of children's services and that would not have been given, as she was on a care order theres a chance the court would have needed to be notified also)

Are you trying to suggest that the SW had no knowledge that a Sharia 'wedding' conferred no legal protection to the female victim and had no obligation to be familiar with the cultural or legal implications of this 'wedding', and no authority or professional obligation to question the motivation or intentions of the abuser involved?

GagMeWithASpoon · 04/10/2025 23:06

Greentulipriding · 04/10/2025 22:21

You are completely unhinged. It's not a ceremony, it is nothing other than colluding in abuse. They aren't a "couple" they are the rapist and the abuser and the victim, a vulnerable child.

Sending shivers down the spine to refer to them as a "couple".

What a sick, twisted mind to put it this way.

Whole communities and professionals were aware and many within it interwined and related, accepting and protecting those who practice it, supporting it.

That poster was explaining why a manager wouldn’t necessarily know about a SW attending such a “ceremony “. Nothing else.

Hibernatingtilspring · 04/10/2025 23:09

mathanxiety · 04/10/2025 22:56

Are you trying to suggest that the SW had no knowledge that a Sharia 'wedding' conferred no legal protection to the female victim and had no obligation to be familiar with the cultural or legal implications of this 'wedding', and no authority or professional obligation to question the motivation or intentions of the abuser involved?

Again, what is it with the lack of reading comprehension on this thread - is it because it's a Saturday night? Are you all drunk?

If you could have the basic respect to read posts, you'll see that I was responding to another poster who had said such a thing could only happen if the 'whole department was complicit', and explaining how, in said workplaces, a social worker could have the opportunity to do something like this without alerting anyone - because it isn't a legal ceremony they can be conducted without seeking permission from anyone, without anything changing on any records, done quietly and in secret. And because social work managers are reliant on what workers tell them - they're not usually with them when visiting homes.

I have also, repeatedly, said it was abusive and that it's a fitness to practice issue. And compared it to what happened to my mum's peers (Irish heritage) where 'fallen' women were made to marry their abusers to 'save their reputation'. I also asked if there were gaps in the law that meant they weren't prosecuted.

How you have extrapolated from that that I think the social worker was innocent, or didn't have a professional responsibility? Genuinely interested to hear your thought process because I'm starting to wonder if I'm reading the same thread.

Hibernatingtilspring · 04/10/2025 23:14

Thanks @TheEmptyCabinBag I'd heard of plans (memorably Cameron and threats to jail people), it's been talked about for so long I wasn't aware anything had finally made it into law, I will take a look.

Hibernatingtilspring · 04/10/2025 23:18

Also if anyone thinks I'm suggesting 'one bad apple' rather than systemic issues - there certainly was a lack of understanding of grooming and sexual abuse at the time this happened, as I've also referenced in the thread. The reason I wonder if the SW did this 'rogue' was simply because in the news reports I've read, no mention is made of any other staff. I would hope that if it was in any way authorised/condoned by anyone more senior, that it would have been mentioned in the news reports.

LemondrizzleShark · 04/10/2025 23:20

GagMeWithASpoon · 04/10/2025 10:48

I’ll be honest, I’m incredibly biased in this because I never believed and never will believe the excuse of “we were afraid of being called racist”. That was a cop out and something that would play a lot better in courts, reviews and the paper than the truth … corruption, negligence and not giving a shit.

That being said, that social worker made an active , personal choice. Hiding behind the “department “ doesn’t work. They didn’t have to do that. They chose to.

Same - when have the police ever given a shit about being thought racist? It never stopped them stop and searching black children did it? It was a completely ludicrous excuse.

CrispsPlease · 04/10/2025 23:24

Oh I expect she creamed her knickers at the opportunity to be all "cultural" and look at me and how "down with the Muslims I am"

This is the problem with virtue signalling being a really fashionable thing to do. Different cultures and some of their abhorrent practices are overlooked and not held to our standards because middle class white people get all orgasmic and jumpy at a chance to be "soooo multicultural"

Poor poor 15yr old girl.

Hibernatingtilspring · 04/10/2025 23:25

@LemondrizzleShark my personal view, I think it was misogyny. The police (at least the ones I dealt with) saw the girls as a nuisance, taking up resources (eg when we reported them missing) and complicit/sexualised rather than seeing them as children and victims.

Hibernatingtilspring · 04/10/2025 23:25

@CrispsPlease do you think 'Anwar' was a white female atheist social worker?

LemondrizzleShark · 04/10/2025 23:29

Hibernatingtilspring · 04/10/2025 23:25

@LemondrizzleShark my personal view, I think it was misogyny. The police (at least the ones I dealt with) saw the girls as a nuisance, taking up resources (eg when we reported them missing) and complicit/sexualised rather than seeing them as children and victims.

Yes - given police attitudes to victims of DV and adult sexual assault, that really seems the most likely answer.

CrispsPlease · 04/10/2025 23:31

Hibernatingtilspring · 04/10/2025 23:25

@CrispsPlease do you think 'Anwar' was a white female atheist social worker?

I'm sorry. Did I miss it ? I genuinely didn't see "Anwar" as a name for the SW. Perhaps I need to re-read it

ChicoryChina · 05/10/2025 08:38

As a social worker I was horrified to hear this. I would be raising concerns about the child’s situation if it was discussed in the office let alone reporting my colleague if I heard they were planning or had done such a thing. It beggars belief quite frankly and I know that none of my colleagues would’ve had tolerated it either. Who knows what was seen as acceptable within that local authority but I know for sure that at that time, where I worked and the surrounding LAs did not operate like that in any way. I agree he should charged. It does not reflect social worker values and his actions were abhorrent.

Hoppinggreen · 05/10/2025 10:51

Hibernatingtilspring · 04/10/2025 23:25

@LemondrizzleShark my personal view, I think it was misogyny. The police (at least the ones I dealt with) saw the girls as a nuisance, taking up resources (eg when we reported them missing) and complicit/sexualised rather than seeing them as children and victims.

Yes, as I said upthread when a young female relative was caught up in this The Police were VERY quick to take decisive action when they realised there was a "nice" MC family involved. I was asked by the family to help and when I turned up at The Police Station in my flash car and a suit (came from work) they couldn't do enough. The prosecution failed on a technicality but CPS and The Police were more than happy to try and when they weren't convicted an unofficial word was had I understand.

Lalaloope · 05/10/2025 11:45

Elleherd · 04/10/2025 09:47

@Lostthefairytale I can sadly imagine the SW's justification to themselves, line managers, and those around them, and if you think about it I'm sure you can.

The child was a problem to be solved and it fell to SS to organize solving it.
The child was placed by SS, into the legal foster care of her husband to be's family. The placing is paid for, there's a paper trail. The child was under a care order when care homes failed to provide proper care.

The moment they did that, they left themselves with either having to take responsibility for wrong judgement and mistakes, when the subject of their choices was abused, or double down in covering up and ensuring the placement came right.

As a young teen I was placed by SS with a guardian, who passed my guardianship on to someone else under some sort of umbrella arrangement.
The placing is paid for, there's a paper trail. Guardianship orders are a way to dispose of children being under care orders.
SW met my charming new guardian, and approved of him.

Everything that happened to me my stepchildren, and subsequent children, from that point on, SW could go with it, or take the fall for it.

Later, on my 16th birthday. My SW took me and my children with me, to make an application to have marriage bans reduced to two days. No one batted an eye at a pregnant 16 yr old with toddlers and a baby, because a SW was stood there too.
Freshly minted 16 yr old me didn't bat an eyelid, because I'd been almost permanently pregnant from 13, already married, a housewife and working, and it was sold to me as legitimizing my children under English law.

SW was at my wedding. a remarriage that meant my signature legally exonerated everyone else's involved.

When SW's and the police, make the choice to protect themselves, their colleagues and their careers, over protecting the children they hold power over, yes they should stand trial too, but I'm not sure the will is there to recognize different forms of corruption and abuse or how it becomes generational trauma when YA's discover how they where conceived and born.

I'm so sorry to read this. I can't imagine what you've been through and how much everyone failed you. Such a heartbreaking story! I'm so sorry you passed through all that.

AzureStaffy · 20/10/2025 19:48

Ddakji · 04/10/2025 10:46

Have you read the judgment in Meade vs City of Westminster and Socila Work England? SWE were obliged to pay exemplary damages, which is highly unusual to be awarded, because they had behaved unconstitutionally. That’s the regulatory body for social work.

I 'raised a concern' with Social Work England about a social worker who had abused me in his private life - their website said they considered concerns about social workers' private lives, there was no time limit on complaints and no obligation to inform the police. The usual emails that got lost and other delaying tactics ensued. They changed details on their website during the course of the investigation.

After nearly 3 years they threw out my concern because it was in his private life, was a long time ago and I hadn't told the police! Reasons for not disclosing are well-established and widely known - but not to Social Work England it would seem. The city the social worker worked in was removed from his details on the register which made him untouchable because the city or town the social worker is employed has to be given before SWE will look at any complaint.

Many years before, I was in an NHS adolescent psychiatric unit and some of the girls were being abused by child rapist gangs and the staff (doctors, nurses, social workers etc) attitude was 'they're those sort of girls', leaving those children at the mercy of adult child abusers.

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