Neighbours - what the hell?

[Allisnotlost1]

Posting here for traffic, previous thread here for context.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5353167-difficult-neighbours

TLDR: nice but filthy neighbours, at least four adults and two kids in the house, multiple animals, what can I do?

I managed to get help from Environmental health who issued a clearance notice for the rubbish at the front of the house. I’ve since found out that one of the older boys has a girlfriend who is now pregnant. The plan is for them to live between her mum’s house and where he is now.

There are now nine dogs living there and one is expecting puppies soon.

Ive also been told that the father previously went to prison for domestic violence against the wife and youngest child. I’m quite confused that he’s living there if that’s true but I guess if he’s off probation and no order in place then what can anyone do, I’ve never heard violence but a fair amount of arguing and some pretty awful things said by him to her, but mainly I’m concerned given that it must be incredibly stressful to be so overcrowded.

Is there anything I could or should do given the imminent arrival of a baby into this situation? (YANBU) Or should I shut the fuck up and move? (YABU).

The OP is asking what she can do and the answer is, really, nothing, about most of the things she’s posted about. There are no laws preventing people living as a multigenerational household and being crowded together, and no laws about keeping lots of pets provided they aren’t neglected. She can complain about things which are within EH’s remit, such as the garden waste and dog crap being left to fester, and she can complain about noise which is a statutory nuisance a not just within the bounds of daily living noise. Beyond that, moving is the only solution.

Thanks - they have said they’re all accidental, and at first I thought probably that was true. But this will be I think the third or fourth litter now. I assumed they’d all been sold so was surprised so many left. Guessing harder to sell older puppies, plus costs money to neuter them (and intact more likely to sell so I can foresee a massive issue when there are more ‘accidents’ and in bred dogs that can’t be sold.

The council van intervene even if private property if the dog muck causes a nuisance and for excessive dog noise, even if you re both owners.

Seriously??? You’ve clearly never lived next door to a set of entitled scrotes who do what they like, when they like and not give a flying fuck as to how their behaviour impacts others, have you?? You’d soon change your bloody tune if you had.

I’ve had 8 years of it - not quite as bad as the OP’s issues in terms of numbers of people and animals, but worse in terms of howling dogs, drunken adults, late night parties that go on until the early hours during the week, kids running around until gone midnight, and aggression to anyone who dares to say a bloody word.

It makes your day to day life a living Hell - so take your judgemental comments elsewhere. You know nothing as to what it’s like, clearly.

OP - I feel your pain.

Complain to Environmental Health about the smell of the dog shit, don't let up on it.

Have you ever complained to them directly about it?

Edited to add - and I'd be looking to sell and move! Winter would be a good time as the smell will be reduced in cooler weather.........

Rspca might be interested if all ddogs aren't being well cared for. A pregnant ddog in all that isn't a well managed decision.. They can check all are microchipped which is a legal requirement now.
Environmental health about ddog shit. Ddogs have to have a suitable place to 'go'.. If it's like Clampet's yard they can act..

Thanks for helpful suggestions. RSPCA are not interested, dog warden neither. EH have been helpful with some elements.

After the last thread I’d concluded that moving was the only answer (and prob still is) but the new info - no of animals, plus more expected, imminent baby, DV history - made me think maybe I should be more proactive. Yes my life would be improved by some changes on their side, but the welfare of the kids and the dogs is important. I don’t think they’re being abused but anyone letting their dogs get pregnant ‘by accident’ and by their littermates is not taking care of the dog. Bringing a baby into a stinking house full of animals seems wildly unwise too. As Ive said, they’re not horrible people and I don’t have any malice towards them but they’re clearly not managing and there are people and animals in the situation who don’t have a choice. If I could get them help, why wouldnt I? Of course I could ‘mind my own business’ but that’s how terrible things happen, because none of the warning signs are noted or reported. I’d rather be a nosy neighbour than a witness after a crime.

@PlutarchHeavensbee sorry you’re dealing with that, I feel for you x

If your concern is for the baby then you can flag that to social services and they’ll decide what course of action to take. If the home is considered unhygienic and unsafe because of the dogs they may want to monitor that and put a plan in place for improving conditions or for supporting the younger couple and baby to find their own tenancy somewhere else.

None of this is going to drastically improve your own living situation in the short term, however.

9 dogs??!

and you have multiple dogs too?

My heartfelt sympathies to the other residents

Ok so you concede you should be more proactive

what does that mean in practice?

Very little I suspect

You sound like a sticky beak, if you don’t like your neighbours just do what an adult would and move.

By ‘concede’ do you mean you think I should do something? I’ve come here to ask others thoughts, the broad conclusion is that I can’t do much and/or I should just move so if you have ideas on what I can or should do, please tell me.

What does TLDR stand for?

You clearly don’t know what concede means?!

So when you said you’ll be proactive about the abuse you are fully aware of…. That means?

but the new info - no of animals, plus more expected, imminent baby, DV history - made me think maybe I should be more proactive. Yes my life would be improved by some changes on their side, but the welfare of the kids and the dogs is important

?

What do you think it means?

That you’ll do the square root of fu8k all

and given your response to the question… I’m right

which is a shame given this is an abusive situation

but… well, you also suffer so no one comes out happy

I would move as they are unlikely to change.

Accept

so you accept that this is very disturbing
you accept you need to be more proactive

however….

I explicitly said I don’t believe there is any abuse going on. I said from the start that the circumstances are problematic and I’m concerned about the welfare of all the people and animals. Several people have told me to mind my own business, several more have said there’s nothing I can do and at I should leave it alone. If you don’t agree with that and have ideas, please share them but questioning my understanding of words and putting words in my mouth is pretty pointless.

So when you said that you’ll be more proactive

you didn’t actually mean that

no of animals, plus more expected, imminent baby, DV history - made me think maybe I should be more proactive. Yes my life would be improved by some

DV not abuse?

Where have I accepted anything? I’ve asked for advice because I think it’s wrong, if you have advice, give it.

Report to social services given what you say and your concern for their welfare

you won’t though
but nor will you move
so… lose lose