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To say husband be the main one to call niece (5) for her birthday due to difficult relationship with SIL?

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ShuffleShuffleSpin · 02/10/2025 05:45

My husband was furious with me last night and gave me the silent treatment after he got home.

yesterday was our niece’s 5th birthday (his sister’s daughter) and she lives about a 10 hour flight away, and he phoned me on his way home from work, asking if I could have our children call their cousin, which would mean calling SIL. I asked him if we could wait one hour until he was home so he could lead the call, and he was furious and sent me a text saying “who cares about family? what is the point of even trying? I don’t see any future”. He said it would be too late to talk to niece when he got home (it would be close to 8pm) so I said let’s plan a call for tomorrow. He was upset because he saw my wanting him to lead the call as a sign that the problems between SIL and me will never go away, whereas I saw it as a safe compromise - happy to keep up relations with family l, but could he please lead here given the history with SIL. He sees me as unreasonable.

SIL and I have a very difficult history. When H and I got married, SIL was openly very bitter / resentful. She acted more like a jealous ex than a sister. It’s a long story, but she would glare at me across the room, return gifts he and I picked out for her and say she wanted gifts only from him. She somehow got her entire family (including H) to go on holiday without me when we were newlyweds which was a last minute trip they all planned. She used to live in the same city as us, but she planned her wedding on the other side of the world when I was pregnant days away from when baby was due (she knew our due date prior to her engagement) and my husband flew out to be her man of honour, leaving me for just 48 hours, but it was days before the birth, heavily pregnant and caring for two toddlers and I worried baby would come while H was away. It was impossible not to wonder if SIL’s resentment / open hatred of me was part of her planning, but I focussed on trying to be happy for her and hoped relationships would move forward since she was finally married. Nothing I did helped the relationship with SIL. There is much more to the story, but most of it was power plays and her going out of her way to “accidentally” exclude me from family events or to interfere with special family moments. Tons of passive aggressive hostility and SIL pretending to be clueless. Husband also (pretended to be?) clueless until he finally agreed to marriage counselling with me. i went out of my way to try to be kind to SIL, to act normal despite her icy rudeness, to believe it would get better over time.

after more than a decade, things have improved over all. Now that SIL finally had a husband and several children, it’s as though other people are finally allowed to be happy, too. Although on some level I never know what she will do and due to her treatment of me and the many unkind orchestrated surprises she put upon me over the years during family visits, I limit my time seeing her. I keep conversations very surface level. If she weren’t my SIL, I would not visit.

I asked my husband if he can be the one to take the primary role when family visits mean seeing her. . I’m am happy to support, but SIL has made it so clear over the year that she hates me. I told him he can do the calling for children’s birthdays and give the children a chance to say hello to cousins, and I can say hello to our niece and nephew too but I would prefer he be there. Due to their ages, SIL needs to be on the phone so it I told him it’s best if he is there.

I had my children give their cousin an early birthday gift in person back when she came to our city about three weeks ago, so it’s not as though she has gone uncelebrated.

what do you think, mumsnet? Was my request that my husband he the one to call SIL and just let me say a brief hellos to niece but he do the primary taking with SIL unreasonable ?

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Rafting2022 · 02/10/2025 05:52

“My husband was furious with me last night and gave me the silent treatment after he got home.“

Sounds like the whole family’s toxic. What are your parents in law like?

ShuffleShuffleSpin · 02/10/2025 05:59

Rafting2022 · 02/10/2025 05:52

“My husband was furious with me last night and gave me the silent treatment after he got home.“

Sounds like the whole family’s toxic. What are your parents in law like?

They reinforced SIL’s behaviour for many years so I can see why it was hard for H to see the issues. FIL was/is extremely toxic and apparently slapped SIL (!) on the cheek a few times and SIL leaned heavily on H growing up and never really had friends which is part of why he found him getting married so difficult.

MIL has mellowed over the years. I agree they are toxic - when H and I were dating, he and his parents love bombed me as a unit. SIL seemed to struggle a bit back then, but MIL kept speaking to me one on one about poor SIL and explaining / excusing so I was in a sense groomed not to see the problems clearly at first.

I later learned that his parents have had multiple explosive fallings out with friends and communities. FIL has a need to take over and if he can’t he the leader, he leaves.

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thepariscrimefiles · 02/10/2025 06:12

I don't think that you are being unreasonable. You have set a reasonable boundary where you limit your contact with your toxic SIL but are happy for your DH and your children to have a relationship.

Your DH giving you the silent treatment is unfair and a sign that he is still massively under the influence of his toxic and unhealthily enmeshed family. Would he phone your family in a similar situation?

Bernadinetta · 02/10/2025 06:17

Totally not the point but if they live a 10 hour flight away, is there not a time difference? (Just re: your husband saying the call would be too late)

theunbreakablecleopatrajones · 02/10/2025 06:17

It sounds perfectly reasonable if your husband is aware this is the deal.

Heythere55 · 02/10/2025 06:22

Sorry but your husband is a huge issue in this too.

ShuffleShuffleSpin · 02/10/2025 06:23

Bernadinetta · 02/10/2025 06:17

Totally not the point but if they live a 10 hour flight away, is there not a time difference? (Just re: your husband saying the call would be too late)

Yes. The time difference meant it would be close to 7:45-8pm their time which he felt was too late. It was earlier where we live.

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ShuffleShuffleSpin · 02/10/2025 06:25

thepariscrimefiles · 02/10/2025 06:12

I don't think that you are being unreasonable. You have set a reasonable boundary where you limit your contact with your toxic SIL but are happy for your DH and your children to have a relationship.

Your DH giving you the silent treatment is unfair and a sign that he is still massively under the influence of his toxic and unhealthily enmeshed family. Would he phone your family in a similar situation?

he has had various boundaries with my family members and I have supported him. I can’t think of a similar situation but he generally only dips in and out of phone calls when I cslll them.

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cleo333 · 02/10/2025 06:32

Life is too short to be treated like you have been , your are totally right in my book , stand firm with your boundaries. .i know toxic families and they will push boundaries so don’t do it or you become part of thrm and their behaviour

Aquickturn81 · 02/10/2025 06:32

An essay basically on this

when really it can be summed up with

I don’t like my husband. He doesn’t like me. We are unhappily married and this latest issue is the tip of the iceberg.

Oh and the family prone e to high drama

ApricotCheesecake · 02/10/2025 06:33

I think you are being a little bit unreasonable here. It's good that you have laid down clear boundaries, but this was over FaceTime not in person, and surely you could have said a very quick hello and then handed straight over to the kids. IMO 8pm is a bit too late to phone a 5 year old and get her all excited before bedtime, so I can see why your DH felt it would be better not to wait for him.

Aquickturn81 · 02/10/2025 06:33

ShuffleShuffleSpin · 02/10/2025 06:25

he has had various boundaries with my family members and I have supported him. I can’t think of a similar situation but he generally only dips in and out of phone calls when I cslll them.

So there’s also drama on your side of the family.

Good grief, these families, must be exhausting!

ComfortFoodCafe · 02/10/2025 06:34

Yanbu. Your husband is the issue here.

Aquickturn81 · 02/10/2025 06:35

Bloody. Hell.

just read all your other threads op.

your FIL flirting with you. Your MIL judging you. And a catalogue of issues with your husband. 😦

Aquickturn81 · 02/10/2025 06:36

Oh and your husband is violent to you

You have an ongoing barmy with neighbours

I could go on

Aquickturn81 · 02/10/2025 06:36

You’re divorcing him OP. So don’t waste your time and energy on this of all things

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/10/2025 06:44

You lost me at "he flew abroad for 48 hours just before my due date with my third child".

You have a husband problem.

thelakeisle1 · 02/10/2025 06:46

Your husband is an entitled arsehole. Sorry OP.

NellieElephantine · 02/10/2025 06:50

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/10/2025 06:44

You lost me at "he flew abroad for 48 hours just before my due date with my third child".

You have a husband problem.

And add to that, left me alone with toddlers!
What was the plan for them if you'd.gone into labour?

BallerinaRadio · 02/10/2025 06:54

I'd have just phoned her, it's just a phone call and all of this would have been avoided.

But clearly it's not about the phone call

jeaux90 · 02/10/2025 07:03

Honestly I’d sack them all off OP. They sound unhinged and your DH is an asshole.

ShuffleShuffleSpin · 02/10/2025 07:04

BallerinaRadio · 02/10/2025 06:54

I'd have just phoned her, it's just a phone call and all of this would have been avoided.

But clearly it's not about the phone call

I did this for years - would just go anyway, phone anyway. Be the bigger person. Take on on the chin and keep going with a smile forgive in the moment, etc. I’m finally just exhausted from it. I used to not let it get to me and saw her as immature, but over time it has gotten to me. Prob especially because my husband hasn’t been supportive in the difficult dynamics. I would just prefer he make the call so that nothing I say / do is twisted or misrepresented as it has been in the past. I’m just tired of all of it.

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ShuffleShuffleSpin · 02/10/2025 07:08

NellieElephantine · 02/10/2025 06:50

And add to that, left me alone with toddlers!
What was the plan for them if you'd.gone into labour?

It’s been hard for me to be able to trust H since then. His priorities were clearly not with the children and me. I had friends who were on call to help the entire time to cover everything if I went into labour, and someone stayed with me, but it’s been hard to bounce back from that.

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BlueEyedBogWitch · 02/10/2025 07:08

My god, love, just leave.

You won’t believe how light you feel. I’m surprised you have the energy to make a cup of tea with all this constant drama going on.

ShuffleShuffleSpin · 02/10/2025 07:09

jeaux90 · 02/10/2025 07:03

Honestly I’d sack them all off OP. They sound unhinged and your DH is an asshole.

I am planning to leave. It all still affects me and there is a lot of grief over all of it. But you are right. Super toxic family. I’ve been in therapy for four years which has helped.

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