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To say husband be the main one to call niece (5) for her birthday due to difficult relationship with SIL?

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ShuffleShuffleSpin · 02/10/2025 05:45

My husband was furious with me last night and gave me the silent treatment after he got home.

yesterday was our niece’s 5th birthday (his sister’s daughter) and she lives about a 10 hour flight away, and he phoned me on his way home from work, asking if I could have our children call their cousin, which would mean calling SIL. I asked him if we could wait one hour until he was home so he could lead the call, and he was furious and sent me a text saying “who cares about family? what is the point of even trying? I don’t see any future”. He said it would be too late to talk to niece when he got home (it would be close to 8pm) so I said let’s plan a call for tomorrow. He was upset because he saw my wanting him to lead the call as a sign that the problems between SIL and me will never go away, whereas I saw it as a safe compromise - happy to keep up relations with family l, but could he please lead here given the history with SIL. He sees me as unreasonable.

SIL and I have a very difficult history. When H and I got married, SIL was openly very bitter / resentful. She acted more like a jealous ex than a sister. It’s a long story, but she would glare at me across the room, return gifts he and I picked out for her and say she wanted gifts only from him. She somehow got her entire family (including H) to go on holiday without me when we were newlyweds which was a last minute trip they all planned. She used to live in the same city as us, but she planned her wedding on the other side of the world when I was pregnant days away from when baby was due (she knew our due date prior to her engagement) and my husband flew out to be her man of honour, leaving me for just 48 hours, but it was days before the birth, heavily pregnant and caring for two toddlers and I worried baby would come while H was away. It was impossible not to wonder if SIL’s resentment / open hatred of me was part of her planning, but I focussed on trying to be happy for her and hoped relationships would move forward since she was finally married. Nothing I did helped the relationship with SIL. There is much more to the story, but most of it was power plays and her going out of her way to “accidentally” exclude me from family events or to interfere with special family moments. Tons of passive aggressive hostility and SIL pretending to be clueless. Husband also (pretended to be?) clueless until he finally agreed to marriage counselling with me. i went out of my way to try to be kind to SIL, to act normal despite her icy rudeness, to believe it would get better over time.

after more than a decade, things have improved over all. Now that SIL finally had a husband and several children, it’s as though other people are finally allowed to be happy, too. Although on some level I never know what she will do and due to her treatment of me and the many unkind orchestrated surprises she put upon me over the years during family visits, I limit my time seeing her. I keep conversations very surface level. If she weren’t my SIL, I would not visit.

I asked my husband if he can be the one to take the primary role when family visits mean seeing her. . I’m am happy to support, but SIL has made it so clear over the year that she hates me. I told him he can do the calling for children’s birthdays and give the children a chance to say hello to cousins, and I can say hello to our niece and nephew too but I would prefer he be there. Due to their ages, SIL needs to be on the phone so it I told him it’s best if he is there.

I had my children give their cousin an early birthday gift in person back when she came to our city about three weeks ago, so it’s not as though she has gone uncelebrated.

what do you think, mumsnet? Was my request that my husband he the one to call SIL and just let me say a brief hellos to niece but he do the primary taking with SIL unreasonable ?

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ShuffleShuffleSpin · 02/10/2025 09:23

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 02/10/2025 08:10

@ShuffleShuffleSpin has your husband ever agreed that his sis is not a nice person to you?? or does the sun shine out of her arse anyway?

Edited

The sun shines out of her arse in his books. He has had glimpses of acknowledging that she has been difficult, but the glimpses tend to fade. I can’t quite define it, but there is a sense that he feels deeply obligated to keep her happy above all things. Very rarely does he not give her what she wants. He has stood up to her when she humiliated and upset one of our children at least one time. But he usually requires everyone to accommodate her and says “be the mature one” or “don’t make a big deal of it” when she acts out. After counselling, our therapist challenged him saying that he had an inappropriate relationship with her and that she places him in situations where he has to choose between her and me (eg, the wedding, or her shenanigans on Mother’s Day in which she managed to make it about her before she had children and when we had a toddler and new baby, so many other times). In the end, H said it was down to him and that he agreed he had chosen wrong by putting SIL first, and he days it is ultimately the fault of his family system and him - so he really places no blame on her. While all of us play various roles and could stand to do better in our own way, I think he does need to say she bears some responsibility for her behaviour- especially the lying and manipulation and trying to start drama/division. He doesn’t see it. He doesn’t want to see it. For my part, I wish I had stopped trying sooner and focussed on leaving sooner. I wish I had walked away from events where I was disrespected much sooner.

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/10/2025 09:25

@ShuffleShuffleSpin If you are divorcing him, why do you care?

LoveWine123 · 02/10/2025 09:27

I get where you are coming from but I think on this particular occasion you should have picked up the phone and helped your kids say happy birthday to their cousin. This occasion wasn’t about you or your SIL, it was about your nieces birthday. I’d try and keep the kids out of this fraught relationship.

Aquickturn81 · 02/10/2025 09:34

Aquickturn81 · 02/10/2025 08:55

So rather than mumsnet today

contact the police

OP?

you are spending a lot of time mumsnetting when you could actually follow the professional advice of your divorce lawyer

Aquickturn81 · 02/10/2025 09:35

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/10/2025 09:25

@ShuffleShuffleSpin If you are divorcing him, why do you care?

Exactly

And there’s so many other issues here as well, namely this husband is violent to the Op

ShuffleShuffleSpin · 02/10/2025 11:07

Aquickturn81 · 02/10/2025 09:34

OP?

you are spending a lot of time mumsnetting when you could actually follow the professional advice of your divorce lawyer

This is all very true. I have to admit it’s really easy for him to make me question that I have done something wrong because I hate the situation and on some level feel conflicted about it. I wanted him to honour my prior request and it still impacts me. I shouldn’t care what he thinks, but when he calls me out on what feels like my going against things I value (family relationships, for example), I struggle. That’s part of why he was able to get me into a position to keep going along with all of it and keep trying as his family treated me badly. It’s almost like he set me up again and again and figured out my buttons. The truth is he wants the benefits of a happy family and happy wider family without doing the work that comes with it. Bad - even horrible - behaviour is downplayed and rug swept.

I need to just focus on divorce and leaving and then keep focusing on my own personal growth and recovery. I know that. I think I just wanted reassurance that I’m not the horrible individual he acted like I was. I need to get away from him.

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Aquickturn81 · 02/10/2025 11:14

And yet still not following solicitor advice and reporting to police.

this morning

Nanof8 · 03/10/2025 18:52

I couldn't find anything that said how old your children are. So I'm assuming they are in the same age range as cousin. If it was me, I would have just dialled the number and let the children talk to Aunty first and ask for their cousin.

Yourcatisnotsorry · 03/10/2025 19:02

For this particular request yabu. Dial the number, hand phone to eldest child, shout happy birthday in the background. No need to interact with sil at all. However your husband is the a hole. I would have left him after he left you at 9 months pregnant to fly 10 hours away.

outerspacepotato · 03/10/2025 19:05

It's his sister. He should be doing it.

He's a giant fucking asshole expecting you to be the contact person arranging calls for your kids with one of his family members you don't get along with and then having a tantrum about possibly having to do his own family work and using an abusive tactic like the silent treatment on you.

Just quit. Do your stuff. Do your kids stuff. Let him stew in his own fucking resentment.

Oh, there's abuse in their background.

Curledup14 · 04/10/2025 08:12

Have you reported to police as advised by your solicitor @ShuffleShuffleSpin

Treesandsheepeverywhere · 04/10/2025 09:20

BallerinaRadio · 02/10/2025 06:54

I'd have just phoned her, it's just a phone call and all of this would have been avoided.

But clearly it's not about the phone call

Quite!

If something happened to DH would the cousins not keep in touch OP?

As others have said, quick message to SIL to ask if ok for cousins to call, hand phone over if yes, job done.

But, with the divorce looming, you clearly indeed have bigger issues than the phone call.
You know what kind of person DH is, he won't change. Good luck.

PinkyFlamingo · 04/10/2025 09:23

ShuffleShuffleSpin · 02/10/2025 07:08

It’s been hard for me to be able to trust H since then. His priorities were clearly not with the children and me. I had friends who were on call to help the entire time to cover everything if I went into labour, and someone stayed with me, but it’s been hard to bounce back from that.

Why are you having children with this man that you don't trust?

ShuffleShuffleSpin · 04/10/2025 14:02

PinkyFlamingo · 04/10/2025 09:23

Why are you having children with this man that you don't trust?

The way he behaved during that pregnancy is a big part of what broke my trust. I was already pregnant.

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Curledup14 · 04/10/2025 14:05

Have you called the police?

MrsJeanLuc · 05/10/2025 07:00

Aquickturn81 · 02/10/2025 06:32

An essay basically on this

when really it can be summed up with

I don’t like my husband. He doesn’t like me. We are unhappily married and this latest issue is the tip of the iceberg.

Oh and the family prone e to high drama

Edited

And how is that helpful exactly?

Curledup14 · 05/10/2025 07:03

MrsJeanLuc · 05/10/2025 07:00

And how is that helpful exactly?

Whereas….

ACynicalDad · 05/10/2025 07:09

For us the default is that my side of the family is for me to deal with and my wife’s is for her. Occasionally it will make sense to help the other but that’s not expected in any way.

He’s an AH but you know that.

ShuffleShuffleSpin · 13/10/2025 19:15

Curledup14 · 04/10/2025 14:05

Have you called the police?

Yes. They are interviewing me this week. I am so scared.

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Treesandsheepeverywhere · 13/10/2025 19:37

ShuffleShuffleSpin · 13/10/2025 19:15

Yes. They are interviewing me this week. I am so scared.

Good luck OP.

ShuffleShuffleSpin · 13/10/2025 21:13

Thank you. ❤️ On top of all of that, I spoke to a social worker and on the morning I spoke to her my husband had sexually assaulted me by grabbing my private area and groping my breasts as I asked him to please stop because we only had a few minutes to leave for the school run. He usually acts like he is making a joke and tries to also be playful but I am literally saying no and pushing his hand away (unsuccessfully). This scenario happens again and again and I have explained to him many times that I don’t want to do anything sexual when I am trying to get kids out the door by a deadline. I was describing this to her as I discussed coercive control and she reported that to police who pointed out this is sexual assault.

I feel like I should have already left by now - but do to having children and needing it to be done both legally and safely it’s been so much more difficult.

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