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To feel a bit bad for the met police on bbc panorama undercover

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Bloodyscarymary · 01/10/2025 21:46

Just watching the BBC Panorama doco “Undercover in the Police” and I can’t help feeling a bit uneasy.

Yes, the behaviour shown is awful and they should lose their jobs, but having their faces, names and secretly recorded conversations, sometimes even off duty over a pint broadcast feels like a bit of a violation of privacy.

I honestly would have thought secret filming like that couldn’t even be made public, but clearly it’s legal or the BBC wouldn’t air it.

I’m not excusing what was said at all. The culture clearly needs to change. But is it fair to single out these particular officers when the problem is obviously widespread?

I also felt some of the more junior officers had just absorbed the culture around them, and at times the journalist might have been nudging them into certain topics. A few of the comments even felt like dark humour or going along with pub chat. Still unacceptable, but if you secretly recorded doctors or other professions that probably use a lot of dark humour to get through it, I’m sure you’d hear things that would seem really callous to an outsider.

Absolutely they should be fired/reprimanded, but do they deserve complete public exposure like this? AIBU to feel uncomfortable about it?

YABU they deserve everything that’s coming their way

YANBU it’s too much personal exposure when the real problem is the Met culture not these individual cops

OP posts:
salcombebabe · 02/10/2025 10:37

Thought this was an interesting take on the programme: Taken from FB page UK Cop Humour's post

I am now an author, so please excuse the long winded reply, but I am so angry it needs to be said. Last night's BBC Panorama investigation into policing at Charing Cross station troubled me deeply, not because I condone poor policing, I despise it, but because the methods employed to obtain this footage raise serious questions about journalistic ethics and understanding of how human beings respond to extreme stress.
The practice of taking police officers out for drinks is hardly new. It has a name in journalism circles, the Alan Whicker, named after the BBC and ITV journalist who pioneered the technique. The strategy is simple and effective: lower someone's guard with alcohol and let them talk. It is an old interrogation method dressed up as casual socialising, and it has been used countless times before. What concerns me here is not just that it was used, but when and how it was deployed.
Having spent years dealing with violent situations in both military and police contexts, I recognise something crucial that appears to have been completely misunderstood or deliberately ignored by the programme makers. There is a phenomenon I call the comedown conversation. When someone has been in a situation where adrenaline is flooding their system, whether that is making an arrest, dealing with violent resistance, or any other high stress encounter, the body undergoes profound changes. Adrenaline is more powerful than cocaine. It transforms even the gentlest person into something primal. In that state, language changes, civility vanishes, and the carefully maintained professional guard drops away completely.
Police officers are trained to fight against these instincts when facing the public. They learn to maintain control, to use appropriate force, to remain professional even when their bodies are screaming at them to react differently. But when they return to their safe spaces, those private areas where they decompress with colleagues who understand what they have just experienced, something different happens. They vent. They use dark humour. They say things that would sound absolutely shocking to anyone outside that world. This is not unique to policing. It happens in emergency rooms, in military units, anywhere people regularly face traumatic situations.
In the military, we have recognised for years the critical importance of allowing personnel to decompress after traumatic incidents. What eventually became formalised as TRiM, Trauma Risk Management, grew from the understanding that people need protected spaces to come down from adrenaline highs through venting, and yes, sometimes that venting involves swearing and thoughts that would seem completely inappropriate in any other context. Without this release, serious mental health problems develop down the line. The BBC journalist approached officers during this vulnerable period, in their safe spaces, when they were decompressing, and I believe that was wholly wrong. They breached that space knowingly.
When I watched the footage of the detention in the cells, I saw nothing improper in the handling itself. The sergeant climbing onto the bunk to observe is standard practice. People who are drunk or experiencing mental health crises can require up to ten officers to restrain them safely. The observation was appropriate. However, the sergeant's comments about genitalia were crude, and here I place the blame squarely on management. He was not checked or warned by those around him. In fact, he seemed to be encouraged. I have seen this before in the military, insecure individuals with some authority holding court and going too far because they encounter no social friction, no pushback from their peers. Watching him, I actually felt sorry for him. He needed leadership to step in, and it did not happen.
What also struck me was the complete absence of balance regarding this officer. We saw nothing of him helping people at his desk, no context for the horrendous things he has to hear and deal with day after day. The editing presented only the worst moments with none of the ordinary humanity that surely exists alongside them.
The comment "she says", which was highlighted in the programme, is actually standard practice in custody suites. It was a reminder to staff to maintain impartiality when dealing with domestic incidents. Officers must guard against making assumptions based solely on one account, regardless of whether the complainant is male or female. Both men and women can be perpetrators and victims of domestic abuse, and officers are trained to investigate without bias. That was his crude way of reminding his team not to show fear or favour, to remain professional. It was inelegantly expressed, but the principle behind it was sound.
The conversations filmed outside the station were presented without any context. We saw none of the journalist's questions, no indication of whether they were open or closed, leading or neutral. We have no idea what happened in the first hour or more of that conversation, how the journalist deliberately steered the discussion to where they wanted it to go. The officers' comments about the volume of crime involving foreign nationals were shocking in their delivery, but they were stating something true, albeit in their own rough way. The question that needs asking is why those statistics exist, not whether officers are wrong to notice them.
Yet one glaring issue remains unaddressed. Charing Cross station has one of the most ethnically diverse workforces in the Metropolitan Police. Officers and staff from every background work there. But the programme was edited to show almost exclusively white male officers. This is what we call narrative editing. It creates an impression that may not reflect reality. It tells a particular story while ignoring evidence that might complicate that story.
This entire investigation was built on edited footage, the use of alcohol to loosen tongues, and filming of officers during their decompression time after adrenaline filled incidents. It focused exclusively on white male officers despite the diversity of the station. In doing so, it appears to have broken several laws including the Official Secrets Act provisions covering police stations, GDPR regulations on filming without consent, RIPA concerning covert surveillance, causing a nuisance inside a police station for the purposes of journalism, and potentially obtaining services by deception and fraud. This was not investigative journalism. This was a hatchet job, and I sincerely hope the Police Federation supports those officers whose lives and careers may now be destroyed by it.
I remain utterly opposed to poor policing. But I am equally opposed to journalism that uses questionable methods, strips away all context, and presents human beings at their most vulnerable as though those moments define their entire professional lives. We can demand better from our police without tolerating manipulative reporting that tells us only part of the story.

godmum56 · 02/10/2025 10:39

BrickBiscuit · 02/10/2025 09:58

But it's not proof of the hundreds of similar abuses going on in the Met every hour of every day due to a toxic culture. Naming and shaming a dozen individuals does not address that. More seriously, it enables the narrative that getting rid of a few bad apples that we now know about is addressing the issue. This covers up a failure to address the toxic culture. It could have been more effective to air the footage anonymised. The story is then a rotten barrel, not a few bad apples. The culprits could still have been reported and dealt with off the scene, but not been the main story.

and then no proof. And why should they get away with anonymity? Did you watch the Beeb this morning? This program has put Mark Rowley in the spotlight and even he is not using the bad apple excuse. I don't think anyone is. I think the publicity also is a warning to the others with similar views and behaviours that there IS no hiding and that generally the public neither support not excuse their behaviour.

BrickBiscuit · 02/10/2025 10:40

travellinglighter · 02/10/2025 10:32

The bbc of old was left leaning but the previous government filled it to the brim with Tory media types. If you want proof, look at the amount of appearances that froggy Farage has compared to the leader of Plaid Cymru or the UUP. They have roughly similar numbers of MP’s but pound land trump is never off the news cycle.

Yes, it's almost as if the establishment has decided Reform will be the next government, and are getting busy instructing people how they will vote.

Curiossir · 02/10/2025 10:41

It's bad and wrong- BUT it doesn't seem that bad to me, but then, I'm a man and have probably been around this kind of talk quite a lot.

eqpi4t2hbsnktd · 02/10/2025 10:41

Impinge having to tell those awful men you were raped....

godmum56 · 02/10/2025 10:42

salcombebabe · 02/10/2025 10:37

Thought this was an interesting take on the programme: Taken from FB page UK Cop Humour's post

I am now an author, so please excuse the long winded reply, but I am so angry it needs to be said. Last night's BBC Panorama investigation into policing at Charing Cross station troubled me deeply, not because I condone poor policing, I despise it, but because the methods employed to obtain this footage raise serious questions about journalistic ethics and understanding of how human beings respond to extreme stress.
The practice of taking police officers out for drinks is hardly new. It has a name in journalism circles, the Alan Whicker, named after the BBC and ITV journalist who pioneered the technique. The strategy is simple and effective: lower someone's guard with alcohol and let them talk. It is an old interrogation method dressed up as casual socialising, and it has been used countless times before. What concerns me here is not just that it was used, but when and how it was deployed.
Having spent years dealing with violent situations in both military and police contexts, I recognise something crucial that appears to have been completely misunderstood or deliberately ignored by the programme makers. There is a phenomenon I call the comedown conversation. When someone has been in a situation where adrenaline is flooding their system, whether that is making an arrest, dealing with violent resistance, or any other high stress encounter, the body undergoes profound changes. Adrenaline is more powerful than cocaine. It transforms even the gentlest person into something primal. In that state, language changes, civility vanishes, and the carefully maintained professional guard drops away completely.
Police officers are trained to fight against these instincts when facing the public. They learn to maintain control, to use appropriate force, to remain professional even when their bodies are screaming at them to react differently. But when they return to their safe spaces, those private areas where they decompress with colleagues who understand what they have just experienced, something different happens. They vent. They use dark humour. They say things that would sound absolutely shocking to anyone outside that world. This is not unique to policing. It happens in emergency rooms, in military units, anywhere people regularly face traumatic situations.
In the military, we have recognised for years the critical importance of allowing personnel to decompress after traumatic incidents. What eventually became formalised as TRiM, Trauma Risk Management, grew from the understanding that people need protected spaces to come down from adrenaline highs through venting, and yes, sometimes that venting involves swearing and thoughts that would seem completely inappropriate in any other context. Without this release, serious mental health problems develop down the line. The BBC journalist approached officers during this vulnerable period, in their safe spaces, when they were decompressing, and I believe that was wholly wrong. They breached that space knowingly.
When I watched the footage of the detention in the cells, I saw nothing improper in the handling itself. The sergeant climbing onto the bunk to observe is standard practice. People who are drunk or experiencing mental health crises can require up to ten officers to restrain them safely. The observation was appropriate. However, the sergeant's comments about genitalia were crude, and here I place the blame squarely on management. He was not checked or warned by those around him. In fact, he seemed to be encouraged. I have seen this before in the military, insecure individuals with some authority holding court and going too far because they encounter no social friction, no pushback from their peers. Watching him, I actually felt sorry for him. He needed leadership to step in, and it did not happen.
What also struck me was the complete absence of balance regarding this officer. We saw nothing of him helping people at his desk, no context for the horrendous things he has to hear and deal with day after day. The editing presented only the worst moments with none of the ordinary humanity that surely exists alongside them.
The comment "she says", which was highlighted in the programme, is actually standard practice in custody suites. It was a reminder to staff to maintain impartiality when dealing with domestic incidents. Officers must guard against making assumptions based solely on one account, regardless of whether the complainant is male or female. Both men and women can be perpetrators and victims of domestic abuse, and officers are trained to investigate without bias. That was his crude way of reminding his team not to show fear or favour, to remain professional. It was inelegantly expressed, but the principle behind it was sound.
The conversations filmed outside the station were presented without any context. We saw none of the journalist's questions, no indication of whether they were open or closed, leading or neutral. We have no idea what happened in the first hour or more of that conversation, how the journalist deliberately steered the discussion to where they wanted it to go. The officers' comments about the volume of crime involving foreign nationals were shocking in their delivery, but they were stating something true, albeit in their own rough way. The question that needs asking is why those statistics exist, not whether officers are wrong to notice them.
Yet one glaring issue remains unaddressed. Charing Cross station has one of the most ethnically diverse workforces in the Metropolitan Police. Officers and staff from every background work there. But the programme was edited to show almost exclusively white male officers. This is what we call narrative editing. It creates an impression that may not reflect reality. It tells a particular story while ignoring evidence that might complicate that story.
This entire investigation was built on edited footage, the use of alcohol to loosen tongues, and filming of officers during their decompression time after adrenaline filled incidents. It focused exclusively on white male officers despite the diversity of the station. In doing so, it appears to have broken several laws including the Official Secrets Act provisions covering police stations, GDPR regulations on filming without consent, RIPA concerning covert surveillance, causing a nuisance inside a police station for the purposes of journalism, and potentially obtaining services by deception and fraud. This was not investigative journalism. This was a hatchet job, and I sincerely hope the Police Federation supports those officers whose lives and careers may now be destroyed by it.
I remain utterly opposed to poor policing. But I am equally opposed to journalism that uses questionable methods, strips away all context, and presents human beings at their most vulnerable as though those moments define their entire professional lives. We can demand better from our police without tolerating manipulative reporting that tells us only part of the story.

nope.

Bobiverse · 02/10/2025 10:44

salcombebabe · 02/10/2025 10:37

Thought this was an interesting take on the programme: Taken from FB page UK Cop Humour's post

I am now an author, so please excuse the long winded reply, but I am so angry it needs to be said. Last night's BBC Panorama investigation into policing at Charing Cross station troubled me deeply, not because I condone poor policing, I despise it, but because the methods employed to obtain this footage raise serious questions about journalistic ethics and understanding of how human beings respond to extreme stress.
The practice of taking police officers out for drinks is hardly new. It has a name in journalism circles, the Alan Whicker, named after the BBC and ITV journalist who pioneered the technique. The strategy is simple and effective: lower someone's guard with alcohol and let them talk. It is an old interrogation method dressed up as casual socialising, and it has been used countless times before. What concerns me here is not just that it was used, but when and how it was deployed.
Having spent years dealing with violent situations in both military and police contexts, I recognise something crucial that appears to have been completely misunderstood or deliberately ignored by the programme makers. There is a phenomenon I call the comedown conversation. When someone has been in a situation where adrenaline is flooding their system, whether that is making an arrest, dealing with violent resistance, or any other high stress encounter, the body undergoes profound changes. Adrenaline is more powerful than cocaine. It transforms even the gentlest person into something primal. In that state, language changes, civility vanishes, and the carefully maintained professional guard drops away completely.
Police officers are trained to fight against these instincts when facing the public. They learn to maintain control, to use appropriate force, to remain professional even when their bodies are screaming at them to react differently. But when they return to their safe spaces, those private areas where they decompress with colleagues who understand what they have just experienced, something different happens. They vent. They use dark humour. They say things that would sound absolutely shocking to anyone outside that world. This is not unique to policing. It happens in emergency rooms, in military units, anywhere people regularly face traumatic situations.
In the military, we have recognised for years the critical importance of allowing personnel to decompress after traumatic incidents. What eventually became formalised as TRiM, Trauma Risk Management, grew from the understanding that people need protected spaces to come down from adrenaline highs through venting, and yes, sometimes that venting involves swearing and thoughts that would seem completely inappropriate in any other context. Without this release, serious mental health problems develop down the line. The BBC journalist approached officers during this vulnerable period, in their safe spaces, when they were decompressing, and I believe that was wholly wrong. They breached that space knowingly.
When I watched the footage of the detention in the cells, I saw nothing improper in the handling itself. The sergeant climbing onto the bunk to observe is standard practice. People who are drunk or experiencing mental health crises can require up to ten officers to restrain them safely. The observation was appropriate. However, the sergeant's comments about genitalia were crude, and here I place the blame squarely on management. He was not checked or warned by those around him. In fact, he seemed to be encouraged. I have seen this before in the military, insecure individuals with some authority holding court and going too far because they encounter no social friction, no pushback from their peers. Watching him, I actually felt sorry for him. He needed leadership to step in, and it did not happen.
What also struck me was the complete absence of balance regarding this officer. We saw nothing of him helping people at his desk, no context for the horrendous things he has to hear and deal with day after day. The editing presented only the worst moments with none of the ordinary humanity that surely exists alongside them.
The comment "she says", which was highlighted in the programme, is actually standard practice in custody suites. It was a reminder to staff to maintain impartiality when dealing with domestic incidents. Officers must guard against making assumptions based solely on one account, regardless of whether the complainant is male or female. Both men and women can be perpetrators and victims of domestic abuse, and officers are trained to investigate without bias. That was his crude way of reminding his team not to show fear or favour, to remain professional. It was inelegantly expressed, but the principle behind it was sound.
The conversations filmed outside the station were presented without any context. We saw none of the journalist's questions, no indication of whether they were open or closed, leading or neutral. We have no idea what happened in the first hour or more of that conversation, how the journalist deliberately steered the discussion to where they wanted it to go. The officers' comments about the volume of crime involving foreign nationals were shocking in their delivery, but they were stating something true, albeit in their own rough way. The question that needs asking is why those statistics exist, not whether officers are wrong to notice them.
Yet one glaring issue remains unaddressed. Charing Cross station has one of the most ethnically diverse workforces in the Metropolitan Police. Officers and staff from every background work there. But the programme was edited to show almost exclusively white male officers. This is what we call narrative editing. It creates an impression that may not reflect reality. It tells a particular story while ignoring evidence that might complicate that story.
This entire investigation was built on edited footage, the use of alcohol to loosen tongues, and filming of officers during their decompression time after adrenaline filled incidents. It focused exclusively on white male officers despite the diversity of the station. In doing so, it appears to have broken several laws including the Official Secrets Act provisions covering police stations, GDPR regulations on filming without consent, RIPA concerning covert surveillance, causing a nuisance inside a police station for the purposes of journalism, and potentially obtaining services by deception and fraud. This was not investigative journalism. This was a hatchet job, and I sincerely hope the Police Federation supports those officers whose lives and careers may now be destroyed by it.
I remain utterly opposed to poor policing. But I am equally opposed to journalism that uses questionable methods, strips away all context, and presents human beings at their most vulnerable as though those moments define their entire professional lives. We can demand better from our police without tolerating manipulative reporting that tells us only part of the story.

That’s just drivel.

Curiossir · 02/10/2025 10:46

salcombebabe · 02/10/2025 10:37

Thought this was an interesting take on the programme: Taken from FB page UK Cop Humour's post

I am now an author, so please excuse the long winded reply, but I am so angry it needs to be said. Last night's BBC Panorama investigation into policing at Charing Cross station troubled me deeply, not because I condone poor policing, I despise it, but because the methods employed to obtain this footage raise serious questions about journalistic ethics and understanding of how human beings respond to extreme stress.
The practice of taking police officers out for drinks is hardly new. It has a name in journalism circles, the Alan Whicker, named after the BBC and ITV journalist who pioneered the technique. The strategy is simple and effective: lower someone's guard with alcohol and let them talk. It is an old interrogation method dressed up as casual socialising, and it has been used countless times before. What concerns me here is not just that it was used, but when and how it was deployed.
Having spent years dealing with violent situations in both military and police contexts, I recognise something crucial that appears to have been completely misunderstood or deliberately ignored by the programme makers. There is a phenomenon I call the comedown conversation. When someone has been in a situation where adrenaline is flooding their system, whether that is making an arrest, dealing with violent resistance, or any other high stress encounter, the body undergoes profound changes. Adrenaline is more powerful than cocaine. It transforms even the gentlest person into something primal. In that state, language changes, civility vanishes, and the carefully maintained professional guard drops away completely.
Police officers are trained to fight against these instincts when facing the public. They learn to maintain control, to use appropriate force, to remain professional even when their bodies are screaming at them to react differently. But when they return to their safe spaces, those private areas where they decompress with colleagues who understand what they have just experienced, something different happens. They vent. They use dark humour. They say things that would sound absolutely shocking to anyone outside that world. This is not unique to policing. It happens in emergency rooms, in military units, anywhere people regularly face traumatic situations.
In the military, we have recognised for years the critical importance of allowing personnel to decompress after traumatic incidents. What eventually became formalised as TRiM, Trauma Risk Management, grew from the understanding that people need protected spaces to come down from adrenaline highs through venting, and yes, sometimes that venting involves swearing and thoughts that would seem completely inappropriate in any other context. Without this release, serious mental health problems develop down the line. The BBC journalist approached officers during this vulnerable period, in their safe spaces, when they were decompressing, and I believe that was wholly wrong. They breached that space knowingly.
When I watched the footage of the detention in the cells, I saw nothing improper in the handling itself. The sergeant climbing onto the bunk to observe is standard practice. People who are drunk or experiencing mental health crises can require up to ten officers to restrain them safely. The observation was appropriate. However, the sergeant's comments about genitalia were crude, and here I place the blame squarely on management. He was not checked or warned by those around him. In fact, he seemed to be encouraged. I have seen this before in the military, insecure individuals with some authority holding court and going too far because they encounter no social friction, no pushback from their peers. Watching him, I actually felt sorry for him. He needed leadership to step in, and it did not happen.
What also struck me was the complete absence of balance regarding this officer. We saw nothing of him helping people at his desk, no context for the horrendous things he has to hear and deal with day after day. The editing presented only the worst moments with none of the ordinary humanity that surely exists alongside them.
The comment "she says", which was highlighted in the programme, is actually standard practice in custody suites. It was a reminder to staff to maintain impartiality when dealing with domestic incidents. Officers must guard against making assumptions based solely on one account, regardless of whether the complainant is male or female. Both men and women can be perpetrators and victims of domestic abuse, and officers are trained to investigate without bias. That was his crude way of reminding his team not to show fear or favour, to remain professional. It was inelegantly expressed, but the principle behind it was sound.
The conversations filmed outside the station were presented without any context. We saw none of the journalist's questions, no indication of whether they were open or closed, leading or neutral. We have no idea what happened in the first hour or more of that conversation, how the journalist deliberately steered the discussion to where they wanted it to go. The officers' comments about the volume of crime involving foreign nationals were shocking in their delivery, but they were stating something true, albeit in their own rough way. The question that needs asking is why those statistics exist, not whether officers are wrong to notice them.
Yet one glaring issue remains unaddressed. Charing Cross station has one of the most ethnically diverse workforces in the Metropolitan Police. Officers and staff from every background work there. But the programme was edited to show almost exclusively white male officers. This is what we call narrative editing. It creates an impression that may not reflect reality. It tells a particular story while ignoring evidence that might complicate that story.
This entire investigation was built on edited footage, the use of alcohol to loosen tongues, and filming of officers during their decompression time after adrenaline filled incidents. It focused exclusively on white male officers despite the diversity of the station. In doing so, it appears to have broken several laws including the Official Secrets Act provisions covering police stations, GDPR regulations on filming without consent, RIPA concerning covert surveillance, causing a nuisance inside a police station for the purposes of journalism, and potentially obtaining services by deception and fraud. This was not investigative journalism. This was a hatchet job, and I sincerely hope the Police Federation supports those officers whose lives and careers may now be destroyed by it.
I remain utterly opposed to poor policing. But I am equally opposed to journalism that uses questionable methods, strips away all context, and presents human beings at their most vulnerable as though those moments define their entire professional lives. We can demand better from our police without tolerating manipulative reporting that tells us only part of the story.

I agree

FutureMarchionessOfVidal · 02/10/2025 10:49

The easy way to avoid being exposed as a repellent racist with violent tendencies - if you are a paid public servant- is just to avoid saying repellent racist violent things.

So no I am not sympathetic.

But it does strike me that it’s grossly hypocritical of the BBC, media & politicians to criticise this- when racism - virulent Islamophobia in particular - & use of extreme force by the police are not just tolerated but whipped up by said media & politicians.

The police are a microcosm of the society that the media & politicians have deliberately created- and now they seriously expect us to believe them when they weep crocodile tears?

I’d like to see a similar expose of senior politicians & senior media figures including at the BBC. That won’t be happening any time soon. We’re only allowed to know about the small scale, working class racists.

Tryonemoretime · 02/10/2025 10:52

edwinbear · 01/10/2025 21:54

Really? Have you forgotten Sarah Everard? The Met Police have a rotten to the core culture and it seems they don’t really care and have done nothing to address it. If that’s been exposed (again) I’m all for it.

There are bad apples in every profession. School staffrooms no doubt have their moments. Doctors (and probably some receptionists) would probably hate to have their private conversations aired on TV. Would any of us like all our opinions lit up on screen? It obviously doesn't excuse those misogynistic, racist MET conversations aired on Panorama. They were disgusting. But for the BBC to air film footage of the faces of those officers was wrong. The men are going to be punished - but it won't stop there. Their families are going to be affected too.

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 02/10/2025 10:54

The BBC are very pro at stirring up hatred against the police, there was some idiot on there this morning droning on about defunding the police, well I hace news live, they are already so so underfunded they rely heavily on volunteers.

There are pockets of a problem in the Met and this is very much being tackled. Like any issue it won’t go away quickly. There’s similar issues in the NHS, across the care sector. But this constant stirring by the BBC and other useful idiots is making the job of being a police officer more and more dangerous for the 99% who are good people trying to do a good job.

absolutely weed out the problem, dismiss them from the force.But we need to start getting behind the police and be grateful for the very difficult job they do.

WoodenBoat80 · 02/10/2025 10:58

Just watching now, along with having some disgusting opinions I can’t belie how thick they sound. They seem to attract a certain type of man.. Insecure bullies that egg each other on.

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 02/10/2025 11:05

Bobiverse · 02/10/2025 10:44

That’s just drivel.

Can you explain why this erudite explanation, drawing on knowledge of the policing (esp the psychology round it) and journalistic fields Is “drivel”. Can you refute the position with an actual argument and supply your credentials to do so.

The time of the Leftist phenomenon of being able to stamp one’s foot and say “because it is, so there” is over. People (or, at any rate, those with brains) are demanding properly evidenced arguments

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 02/10/2025 11:05

WoodenBoat80 · 02/10/2025 10:58

Just watching now, along with having some disgusting opinions I can’t belie how thick they sound. They seem to attract a certain type of man.. Insecure bullies that egg each other on.

Who “attract a certain type of man”?

thepariscrimefiles · 02/10/2025 11:07

Linenpickle · 02/10/2025 08:54

This was so bias as some of those people in custody could be repeat offenders. You don’t know that the man who got hit in the cell hasn’t been kicking off 4 times already and walloped police several times. You don’t know that the woman was a repeat customer. There are lots of gaps and the reporter is a a scumbag.

You have no idea whether they were repeat offenders. The use of violence against suspects is against the law, even if they were provoked.

What woman are you talking about? The pregnant woman who had been kicked in the stomach hard enough to leave boot print on her belly? If she was a repeat customer, it's because she is the victim of repeated violence, presumably from her partner. But you try and find a way to blame her?

How you could watch that and think that the police officers are the victims and the reporter is a scumbag utterly baffles me.

CagneyNYPD1 · 02/10/2025 11:07

I’m watching the Panorama programme right now. Much of what I would want to write, has already been written. But I am sadly not surprised in what I have seen.

There are decent officers who do raise concerns and complaints about their colleagues and they are not listened to properly. The backs of bad officers are protected by others around them time and time again. Whistleblowers get ostracised for calling out racist, sexist, homophobic behaviour. So decent officers and staff keep quiet. And the cycle continues.

Yes, there are bad apples that exist in every workplace. But within policing, the very culture and systems allow bad apples to become bad barrels.

I don’t know how this is solved. But I would start with looking at the training and then supervision of probationary officers.

NebulousSadTimes · 02/10/2025 11:12

eqpi4t2hbsnktd · 02/10/2025 10:41

Impinge having to tell those awful men you were raped....

And you know that they know you were but they come out with, after a few moments thought, shit like "So she says".

Notagain75 · 02/10/2025 11:14

Happyjoe · 02/10/2025 09:11

If anything, shows failings in the Met's department yet again, their vetting process is full of holes.

He was a young post graduate articulate and very presentable. I can see why he was snapped up. I don't expect there is a lot of competition for those jobs.
What sort of vetting would show he was working undercover? He wasn't a regular employee of the BBC but even if he was how would they know that. He didn't have a criminal record and he had right to live in the UK.
Also he worked there for 8 months and presumably did the job well

CollsR · 02/10/2025 11:17

Culture is made up by people. These people saying these horrible things are reinforcing the culture. More of this should be done. Every year, every police unit should have such an investigation. You could secretly record at my work and at my after work functions and you would not get anything like this ever.

CagneyNYPD1 · 02/10/2025 11:17

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 02/10/2025 10:54

The BBC are very pro at stirring up hatred against the police, there was some idiot on there this morning droning on about defunding the police, well I hace news live, they are already so so underfunded they rely heavily on volunteers.

There are pockets of a problem in the Met and this is very much being tackled. Like any issue it won’t go away quickly. There’s similar issues in the NHS, across the care sector. But this constant stirring by the BBC and other useful idiots is making the job of being a police officer more and more dangerous for the 99% who are good people trying to do a good job.

absolutely weed out the problem, dismiss them from the force.But we need to start getting behind the police and be grateful for the very difficult job they do.

The weeding out of police officers who are unfit for the job is essential. I agree with you on that. But there has already been a comprehensive investigation into behaviour of officers at Charing Cross station back in 2022. And still long serving officers with significant responsibilities for the public and other officers are openly behaving in dreadful ways. In the very same police station. If that’s not a toxic culture then I don’t know what is.

Notagain75 · 02/10/2025 11:18

CagneyNYPD1 · 02/10/2025 11:07

I’m watching the Panorama programme right now. Much of what I would want to write, has already been written. But I am sadly not surprised in what I have seen.

There are decent officers who do raise concerns and complaints about their colleagues and they are not listened to properly. The backs of bad officers are protected by others around them time and time again. Whistleblowers get ostracised for calling out racist, sexist, homophobic behaviour. So decent officers and staff keep quiet. And the cycle continues.

Yes, there are bad apples that exist in every workplace. But within policing, the very culture and systems allow bad apples to become bad barrels.

I don’t know how this is solved. But I would start with looking at the training and then supervision of probationary officers.

The problem is the worse offenders were those who have been there for years and the Sergeant .

YourAmplePlumPoster · 02/10/2025 11:20

Fed up with hearing about "Islamophobia" when the Taliban are preventing girls from going to school and Iraq has just passed a law allowing 9 year old girls to be married off. Let alone what's happening in Iran. Funny that this documentary went out on the same day that more perpetrators from a grooming gang in Rochdale were jailed.

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 02/10/2025 11:20

thepariscrimefiles · 02/10/2025 11:07

You have no idea whether they were repeat offenders. The use of violence against suspects is against the law, even if they were provoked.

What woman are you talking about? The pregnant woman who had been kicked in the stomach hard enough to leave boot print on her belly? If she was a repeat customer, it's because she is the victim of repeated violence, presumably from her partner. But you try and find a way to blame her?

How you could watch that and think that the police officers are the victims and the reporter is a scumbag utterly baffles me.

It’s possible to think that the small number of police who featured were in the wrong whilst also acknowledging they represent a tiny minority of police officers across the country and are no way representative of policing as a whole, acknowledging police come under extraordinary amounts of stress that is rarely helped and that poor mental health and resultant actions are the result and the BBC journalist was vile in their methods funded by the BBC on their campaign to tar and feather the police thereby making their already very difficult and very dangerous jobs even more so. All those things can be true.

isn’t is funny how soldiers getting ptsd is viewed with empathy, the effects on the police of dealing with utter trauma day in day out isn’t acknowledged

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 02/10/2025 11:23

YourAmplePlumPoster · 02/10/2025 11:20

Fed up with hearing about "Islamophobia" when the Taliban are preventing girls from going to school and Iraq has just passed a law allowing 9 year old girls to be married off. Let alone what's happening in Iran. Funny that this documentary went out on the same day that more perpetrators from a grooming gang in Rochdale were jailed.

Yep, yet today there has been a n attack with a car and knife on a synagogue- probably won’t hear too much about the anti semitism that the BBC and SM as been stirring up with all the useful idiots waving their Palestinian flags shouting “from the river to the sea”

MyHeartyCoralSnail · 02/10/2025 11:24

Notagain75 · 02/10/2025 11:18

The problem is the worse offenders were those who have been there for years and the Sergeant .

But what about all the other officers who have been there for years