Labour are lifting the 2 child benefit cap

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AIBU that this is a terrible decision?

They should give their children to a rich family.

@EasternStandard it's the interim bit that concerns me due to the lack of planning. There will be far fewer dc, there already is...

Lifting the cap will not boost birth rates.

Bollocks. Guess where the two child cap kicks in.

A quick Google will show you that birth rates have slightly dropped since the benefit cap came in,

Immigration is filling the gap in the birth rates.

Hilarious that you genuinely think that!

We seem to have wandered into the Daily Mail comment section. Good grief.

Theres more research to show people adjust their behaviour when negative financial impacts are predicted. So theres less children when theres less financial/ social benefit, less house moves when interest rates are predicted to rise etc.

You do know that the majority of parents who claim universal credit are working?

It's UC which was previously tax credits. Not child benefit. You've lived a very privileged life of that i am sure. You've never grown up around the reality of families who rely on tax payers to fund their lifestyle and support their family. An increase in universal credits will mean the parents spend more money on themselves. The children will still live in poverty. You're the daft one.

I earn just over £60k as a single adult household (two dc) and I think I’m pretty well off. If the average salary is £30-35k then I earn almost double. I dunno if I’d say I’m rich, but I don’t have too many money worries.

No, it’s an exception already. You’ll get money for all 3.

Sums up my feeling pretty much. Of course there are contraception fails and multiple births (I think an exception should be made for multiple births, don’t suppose many people desperately want twins or triplets 😁) but I imagine those categories don’t represent many families with more than two children.
Our daughter and her husband are considering whether they can realistically have a second child. Both educated, responsible people in well-paid employment, in receipt of no benefits. If they are having to think long and hard about practicalities and affordability, shouldn’t everyone do the same, particularly if they are to an extent reliant on state top ups?
Labour may well scrap the two child limit but who’s to say the next Government won’t scrap child benefit altogether? Looking at the possible candidate, I’d say that’s not as unlikely as it sounds.

You're talking about child benefit which is not capped by child - this is about UC - which is worth an extra £292 a month per child not £102.

Without the low earners this country would grind to a halt.

Best place for most kids is with their Mother. Stupid people tend to produce stupid people. Bright people tend to produce bright people. Even if someone is stupid and they have children that's okay because there will always be some job which requires that stupid person to do it (don't want to give examples due to risk of offending anyone) but you know what I mean.

I grew up in poverty. Really desperate poverty. Homeless at times as a child. My DM had terrible MH and was a single parent not keeping it together. Didn’t work (until many years later when she got better, went to college and got a job).

Benefits were the safety net that kept me out of care, enabled me to go to sixth form (EMA), and then on to university (I was the first in my family. Graduated from a RG uni with a starred first).

Im now a graduate and higher rate taxpayer. I’m also a single parent to one child, and have at times when he was very small had to claim UC top ups for childcare because my salary at that time couldn’t keep up with basic outgoings.

So yeah, I have a better work ethic than my mother, and a better life. I contribute more to the economy and society. And more importantly, my son has a better life than I did. He is securely housed. Goes to school every day. Has never seen domestic violence. Plays extra curricular sports. Has private tuition for his SEND needs. He will (pray god) go on to achieve yet more, and contribute yet more, than I do.

Benefits broke a cycle of poverty for my family. That’s why they make sense. Because for every kid that stays stuck- as some sadly will-, more will get out, just like I did. And then we all benefit.

Mostly part time though, the magic 18 hours.

The DM comments are against generally. Even when Reform proposed it btl comments were against. It lost them a few polling points which they’ve since regained.

Those kids will go on welfare as their parents did.

Yes, lets extend the voucher idea. Pensioners should only get vouchers for bills and food, yes?

But how much?

I was joking.

Having children is a privilege, its self indulgent. Having 3 kids shouldn't be an absolute given for everyone (just because they are broody) or love babies or whatever. I agree everyone should be entitled to 1 regardless of money but more than 2, if you cant afford it, that's just plain greedy, neglectful and irresponsible.