To think putting vat on private healthcare when many people use it because the NHS won't treat them is monstrously cruel

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I know so many people who have had to pay for cancer diagnostics or new joints because they couldn't obtain care from the NHS. Not rich people - people who have to take out bank loans to fund it.

What is wrong with labour.

85%

What a ridiculous point of view, people are taking out bank loans for treatment because they are scared and desperate.

Other things that weren't going to happen:

Additional tax on workers
A wfa u turn
A grooming gang u turn
A welfare cuts u turn

Goodness, are people who live in an urban setting no allowed a dog anymore as they are not going to be a 'working dog' are they? So no cigarettes, gambling, what next!

Charge the VAT upfront.

Schrodinger's education: independent schools are simultaneously a luxury and bestow privilege whilst at same time have a lower standard of teaching, unqualified teachers, contain horrible spoiled entitled brats, are awful for bullying and get worse outcomes than state schools 🤣🤣

FYI they aren't a "luxury" for the 130k+ SEND DC who are there because of the failures in state schools! For some of those children, those schools are the difference between getting an education or not.
This is a tax on SEND as well as education and the fact you support that says a lot about you!

FYI again because some are obviously hard of understanding: VAT isn't a luxury tax.

Looking at it logically rather than emotively (difficult as the far-right media take over only talks to fear) … they are both luxury services where a free at the point of access provision is available - even if flawed. So the same arguments apply to both and VAT should be applied to both.
The only difference is school VAT was being applied to ‘others’ whereas private healthcare is more widely used and would apply to ‘us’. Hence the only identifiable difference is a lack of compassion/ selfishness. And we’ve circled back to an emotion driven reason.

No you're allowed one. If anything I'd encourage you to get one. You'd just have to pay the annual tax.

Not all independent SS cost that much. For example, More House doesn’t and has around 30% self funding without EHCPs. Although there are some independent SS who cost a significant sum of money who have or have recently had self funders. For example, Chelsea Hall School.

Not quite. And, I object to both, fwiw, but the Labour Manifesto included tax on private education and then they went on to win the general election. There was a mandate for this policy.

So, yes, those feelings might be the drivers of the disparity but, politically, Labour were on firmer ground with the former.

If we are taxing education then damn right we shoukd be taxing everything else that isn't provided by the state because that's the argument thrown at me for last 2 years: "just choose the state provided option". So therefore we should only be allowed whats provided by the state, you are free to choose other things but there is a standard tax applicable to everything.

That would be "fair" and equitable.

Except they onjh got public support for that because they lied!

Yeah. They're slippy fuckers.

Pretending that it was going to bring a bounty of tax and then lying it would pay for...nurses/teachers/houses/ until it got whittled down to crappy breakfast clubs that are so shit the kids don't like them and school can't afford to put them on properly.

I think it is much fairer to tax dogs which serve no real social purpose than it is to tax private education that will be raising our next generation of leaders.

Agreed.
Also cats, cats should be taxed double. They kill wild life etc.

After Covid I couldn't see a GP,I had a couple of telephone appointments with the nurse, she obviously couldn't see the issue. Fast forward over a year,saw a GP who looked panicked,was put on the 2 week cancer pathway, misdiagnosed by a gynae consultant and went private. I have a few premium bonds which are my savings, after the cash ISA came to term, and a tiny NHS pension, can't get private health insurance at my age and with all my health issues..

Democracies need humanity students and philosophy students and Arts students, we need people that can understand the ethics of AI for example and can write legislation and people who actually know where places are and they're significance for geo political reasons. We also need creative people whose imaginative skills can help solve problems or design solutions.

We can't tax cats. I have one. Don't forgot we only spend other peoples money.

MH for example is now a divided by wealth diagnosis

The waits are so long a child will be an adult by the time they are diagnosed so goodbye ehcp and support in school

My dd is autistic and all her diagnosis have had to be private. She may not be with us if we hadn't done this.

We are prob 10k down over the last 3 years if you add her therapy. But lucky we can afford this for her.
Many relatives pay for grandkids etc

Totally against vat on Ed or HC

The only thing I may back is means tested dental care but free for all kids in education or under 19 and oaps and pregnancy.

Of course you can have your dog, you just need to pay the tax due.

Really, we've never had more humanity and art students and they have driven us all into double speak madness and self flagellating misery. 85% tax, I think.

I have full confidence in…

But they don't need to go to university to learn how to be "creative people whose imaginative skills can help solve problems or design solutions".

Sorry I just don't buy your weak argument. University IS optional for most people. Therefore it's a luxury and should be taxed. Doctors etc would be exempt.

We already have 100s of 1000s of graduates who can't get jobs and are querying why they went. Taxing university would raise ££ as well as reducing the amount of graduates to a more sustainable amount for the job market.

And we can have them - no ones saying ban them. They'll just have to pay the VAT.

I don't have a dog, I prefer cats but I'm allergic to all of these animals so I don't have any.