some Michelle Mone-style labour crony will make billions from the digital ID

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Which will make all our lives worse and won't reduce immigration crime in the slightest. The main reason for immigration crime ongoing is police and Border Force refusal to take action about known criminals.

Nothing will stop guys sharing an ID as they do in other countries.

It will create extra incentive to steal identities from ordinary people (perhaps with violence/kidnap).

Meanwhile this is billions the NHS and schools won't see.

Labour won't see election again in my lifetime.

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/730194

And Michelle Mone…(as your OP)…

I don't see the difference between ID cards and the new biometric scanning at the airport, supporting the passport system. (as a nine EU country).

Are we expected to never go abroad to minimise data risks and so the creator of the system does not benefit?

People keep saying ID cards. The proposal isn’t to have cards, like many other countries. It’ll be on your phone, so you can be tracked by the Government literally everywhere you take it. And you can bet it will be eventually required for many more reasons than to prove your right to work. And if this Government doesn’t have a hidden agenda, the potential for future governments to misuse the data is huge.

Everyone is so fussed about data protection and privacy, but many seem to be embracing this proposal unquestioningly, with open arms. Unbelievable!

Yes, and probably especially because it is a Government IT project.
As the saying goes, you can do anything with software.

Not to mention the extremely high value of a British ID card on the black market. Plus China and Russia will already be flexing their hacking muscles at the thought of it. And the risk from firms like Palantir as per pp.

The very fact there has never really been a crystal clear, genuinely transparent outcome into M Mone is telling in itself. If walls could talk they'd be on a three book deal to expose the quiet backroom dealings.

Finally, the reasons seems iffy. It seems like a desperate land grab by Keir Starmer to seem like he is actually taking decisive action, where parties like Reform and the court of public opinion are steering his opinion. It is a reactionary tactic not a strategic move. Why weren't ID cards in his election manifesto from the start if it is such a common sense solution, for example.

Oh really? I read something about us and one other country that doesn't have it. Could have sworn it was Denmark.

I love the tin foil hat wearing panic about this, it makes me laugh. I had an ID when I lived abroad in Europe... 30 years ago!!! Why do people think the world will end in the UK despite every other country successfully having them? I actually shouldn't laugh really. It is clear from this thread that the conspiracy theorists and the scaremongering has really got a hold on the vulnerable. I don't know how we get out of this, the amount of totally unnecessary fear that you see in this thread shows it's really spiralling out of control.

I read that too on Substack but it seemed like a bit of a right wing bonkers account so I’m not giving it much credence.

Wouldn’t surprise me though.

As opposed to some Tory mates making billions (Mone) or millions (many others) from shite PPE whilst the genuine companies were ingnored.

30 years ago is the clue. What has changed in that time so a digital ID scheme is different? AI for a start, are you aware of what kind of access it can deliver?

Saw an interview with Mone and she basically said the money made was now in her children's trust funds! She should be made to pay it back but the Tory government gave her the contract and the money......

One of our basic human rights is a Right to Privacy. We don't need to explain why, or what, or how. We are simply entitled to it. The UK has long believed in that as a country.

The people who bleat on about "having nothing to hide" forget that one day, they will have something they don't especially want to be logged into a Government database without their permission, however innocent or legal it is.

Off the top of my head, say for example, attending a legitimate, peaceful women's rights meeting and having that reported by some activists on the other side. Boom, the ever-obedient police come and along and demand your papers, you get recorded. Go to another one, same thing - now you are getting marked as a persistent troublemaker. Given how its playing now, that is probably the least surprising outcome.

Yep and access to services? An easy fix for your behaviour.

Seriously, step away from the Internet. You're stressing about nothing. Go and have a walk in nature and look at something real rather than consuming scaremongering conspiracy theories that are designed to scare you and reel you in so that you read more.

This is already the case. But the home office needs to know about specific instances to be able to prosecute.

Don’t be silly. I’m not on X or FB or whatever else you’re thinking of. I have great MH and an excellent garden as it goes, lucky me. I think you are out of date by 30 years and unaware of AI.

I just realised your post was in response to I used one in Italy 30 years ago stuff. Seriously get up to date.

@HoskinsChoice 30 years ago is another planet

Ask yourself, what was different!

@HoskinsChoice I had no issue with one there

I see the government Stasi nudge unit are in full operation.

You are tracked by your phone now. Look at the criminal investigations where phone data is used in evidence of whereabouts, purchases, digital footprint on photos, etc etc.

Doesn't prevent the vast majority of people owning a phone.

Michelle Mone…what happened to her, has she been held to account for the money she was allowed to steal by the Conservative gov.…

I was thinking more of Dido and her £37 billion, @OddsReally, but yes there was Michelle too and you must be joking about accountability

Experience teaches that government initiatives take five times as long as predicted, cost ten times as much and then don't work, and I see no reason to suppose this'll be any different

They can't even sort out the driving test booking IT nightmare. I have zero faith they can a) implement safe, functioning ID cards and b) they will make any difference. Cash in hand jobs and HMO's will tick over quite happily.

How about getting angry about things that have actually happened, rather than making hypothetical scenarios up and getting angry at them.

Bit late then. I suppose you say the same on threads for other stuff, the ILR change for example. Don’t get angry etc

Because anyone with critical thinking can see the issues and lies attached to this. You might be ok with trickery but I’m not.

People keep quoting that other countries have them and it’s all fine and dandy. Let’s take France as an example as they have ID cards. It isn’t this that stops/is used to combat illegal immigration and working it’s the fact there are significant fines for hiring illegal workers and the government co-ordinates massive enforcement efforts across police, tax, customs etc. Basically employers are very careful as if caught on a random unannounced raid/check they will be fined. Here in the UK employers also have to check residency and right to work, done through passport/driving licence/birth cert checks. No difference between that and the Id card. The difference is the enforcement and fines, ID cards in the UK won’t change this.

Illegal immigrants are given a card already,
its easy to prove rights.

I am very very against this and think the population needs to push back. The main issue is the ease at which illegal immigrants can work in the black market.

Could you link to a source about TB ‘s stance for this please.

Definitely some crony will make billions. And Steve from Down the Pub will also have a good sideline in producing half convincing knock offs. I'm planning on getting the three for £500 deal*

I'm not, this part was intended in jest, but Steve* will definitely be busy
**Steve is a made up name to protect JohnBoys identity 👍