To think it's a bit harsh to say people who've never worked shouldn't get benefits?

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Was reading another thread where many were saying if someone has never worked they shouldn't get any benefits but couldn't comment because it had reached 1000 comments.

I know this might be an unpopular opinion but I don't agree because that would include young mums who can't work because they have a baby to look after. Most of them will get a job when their child is a little older. Why are they any different from older mums who've fallen on hard times and need help?

And I know people will say it's because they've never worked and haven't proven themselves unlazy etc and could be on the dole forever but why should they have their lives ruined just because of something people think MIGHT happen.

WTF

To refer to a child as a 'mistake' illustrates they make bad parents. A way to discourage such behaviour is not to hand out benefits.

I guarantee the 'mistake' births will dramatically reduce once they realise there is no cash incentive.

Which presumably this 16 year old has factored in
As an aside I paid to work as the fees exceeded my salary. I had to work just because I’d lose my registration otherwise
What sexist times those were.

Yes they do. It’s called parental leave.

Work hard and only have a child when financially stable.

That's why young people aren't having dc, teh message has got through.

My belief is that you should support the disabled. If they can work a bit, give them the money to help with the extra costs of disability so they can work.

If they are too disabled and incapable of work support them.

If someone is physically and mentally able, welfare would be temporary with a plan to work their way out of it into a better and brighter future.

Food vouchers wont pay for my TV license or internet. It wont pay for a new microwave when one breaks down or a new plate when I drop yet another one. Food vouchers wont pay for some new shoes for me.
People on benefits are not so thick that we dont know how to spend them.

A carer is a huge contribution to society. As long as you are not claiming any other benefits, absolutely nothing wrong with being a SAHM.

It is those claiming money that riles people not how a self funded SAHM spends her day.

No it won't work, and has been discussed to death, all the reasons that it will not be viable.

YANBU not so much young mothers but people who have left the care system and people who are disabled too.
I am disabled and have not really worked much in my life. It was min wage jobs even then and I could not cope with them. If you could only claim according to what you put in then I would have been dead on the streets years ago.
It makes no sense to me to be paid more if you paid more in as welfare is a safety net. It is not a reward for working hard.

I doubt this thread is in reference to the severely disabled who cannot work

OPs example isn’t disabled

Statistics show there are less teen mums than ever before not sure what is becoming out of control? Older parents claiming maybe?

As for my example being niche I see some other commenters who were previously young mums and now work hard and was in care herself (so much for posters saying parents should sort it as if everyone has parents let alone parents willing to provide for a grandchild)

Anyway just saying there are real people who's lives would be ruined if the opinions on here were actually put into practice.

Does it matter? Are you going to use any answer I give to decide if they are deserving or non deserving?

We have a benefits bill that is fast overwhelming the economy and it is not sustainable. Why should the few work to subsidise the many?

If you haven't put in, you shouldn't be able to take out and the welfare state should not be a long term substitute for work

So how do you prevent everyone from doing the absolute bare minimum, secure in the knowledge that others will pick up the slack? Should people not be rewarded for working hard, to the best of their ability?

Because we are meant to be a compassionate species who cares for those who need help. I believe that societies who do not wish to care for their poor, sick or disabled but wish to get rid of such people as "unproductive" are fascists.

Should I take her to a mountainside and leave her there to starve? Or have her put down in a gas chamber? Genuinely curious.

My very first boyfriend was 17 and was sharing a room with his 15 year old half sister who had had a baby. They had a curtain partition down the middle.
So she was entitled to get a council place and claim benefits elsewhere as that situation was very far from ideal.

Not if they can't support them.

There are very very few people who never work at all, ever, in their lives. Those who fall into that category are mostly extremely unwell so wouldn't be claiming dole anyway as they'd be covered by other benefits.

So it's kind of a moot point. I mean, you could introduce it as a rule but it wouldn't save a lot of money because it wouldn't apply to hardly anyone. Maybe a few years ago you'd have caught the odd mardy UKIPer who'd been working on the lam in Spain for decades and then found themselves back in the UK due to Brexit with no verifiable work record but most of them are on disability benefits now anyway.

People dont get benefits and welfare because they work hard. They get it because they are in need.
If you have the money then you dont need it. You are rewarded in payment from your employer.
It is not a great life being reliant on the state believe me and dont envy me.

So many ‘shoulds’ and not enough ‘hows’.

16 year old shouldn’t have a baby. Great. Is your solution forced abortions or starvation?
People shouldn’t have children they can’t afford. See above.
People with disabilities shouldn’t have children. See above.
Parents should support their 16 yos. Fab. Care leavers? Parents also in poverty?

The system isn’t designed to push people into the shoulds without giving any alternative. Because unless you are a psychopath or an actual Nazi, you don’t want children and people with disabilities to be forcibly sterilised, to starve or to be forced to abort.

If you want more people in work, make it easy, attractive, timely and work on how to best achieve that.

No,
Just that some of us are fed up to the back teeth with paying for other peoples' stupid choices.

The whole point of benefits was to get back on your feet. It was never intended as a lifestyle choice which it seems to have become.

Don't have a baby until you can afford to support a child.