ID cards to be introduced. What do you feel. ?

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I have worked in serious organised crime for two decades. This is one of the best bits of news I have read in a long while. I have also been involved in ‘small boat’ arrivals. The reason people will by pass several safe EU countries to get to the UK is ‘I can get lost if I don’t get asylum’ ‘UK has no ID cards’ . It’s a no brainer .. why why has it taken so long. ? If you want to have the services your country has to offer - through most of the world - from healthcare to the library- you need to show you are a bona-fida citizen. However , for some unfathomable reason , the flag waving right wingers are always the one to oppose ..is it because they are scared it will work and leave their thinly veiled racism floundering ?

Yes to ID cards = YANBU
No to ID cards = YABU

I really don't understand how they seem to be fucking so much up so early!

He made the point that British people constantly bang on about civil liberties and privacy and not wanting ID cards and all the rest of it, and yet seemed perfectly willing to accept restrictions on their personal freedoms that were unheard of anywhere else in Europe.
I may be going slightly mad, but I could swear I remember reading during Covid that French people were routinely stopped by police and asked to provide papers to prove they were heading for their nearest shop etc.
And in Spain children were forbidden to leave the home at all for 42 straight days. In a country where most people live in flats.

EU settlement for life is your national ID card and passport are recorded digitally in home office ....

What is the difference with English digital ID going to be, any info?

If we don't know enough about how the scheme is going to work yet to answer that question, it follows that we (you) also can't make claims that Irish ID could be used as an alternative.

On the second paragraph, everyone knows that holding an ID from a state doesn't automatically mean you're a citizen or even identify with it. It is, however, in the case of NI, being rejected by some of the population because they don't accept that they should have to hold documentation from the British state to prove their right to live in NI at all. This is why the examples you give of other countries aren't relevant unless they're from a comparable population.

It doesn't matter whether you think that shouldn't be an issue for them, and they're not paying any attention to yours or any other British person's views on whether it impacts on their identity. This is not how things work in NI, as more than one British person has learned to their cost. I actually think it's moot because this isn't going to have chance to play out anyway, but if it were then making it work in NI would be a problem.

I'll be happy having the ID because I'm cruising with my birth surname but as married with English spouse, all my paperwork here and my legal name is the husband's surname

because they don't accept that they should have to hold documentation from the British state to prove their right to live in NI at all

Right, but unless it actually contravenes the Good Friday Agreement, which I can't see how it does, they will have to accept it.

They are allowed to not like it.

I have never had issues carrying an ID in my country. It has never been requested when I was out and about

I am relieved. It's common sense.

Yes and we have the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act and the concept of 'spent' convictions which you don't need to disclose when applying for jobs etc.

Have you the expertise to pronounce on the GFA? I'm legal, albeit it's not my field. What I've seen questioned by others is the 'parity of esteem' point. That is, the requirement to have an ID from the UK state to live and access services but no provision to accept an alternative Irish document (and one doesn't presently exist). That's not something that has existed since the GFA was signed.

As for having to accept it, as I say I think this is moot anyway, but if there's one thing people from Northern Ireland have shown they cannot be relied on to do, it's behave in a way that most suits the UK government. As more than one British person has learned the hard way! To that end, I actually think even if there were binding case law stating that this policy was GFA compliant, it wouldn't solve the problem.

What country are you in?

If you're suggesting that Northern Irish people are going to breach the peace because the government of the country they hate but nonetheless choose to continue living in requires them to hold a form of ID (just like most countries in the western world require their residents to hold a form of ID) then I would say that reflects very poorly on them.

For what it's worth, I am a lawyer and looked at the GFA in some detail during the Brexit negotiations. I understand why a hard border was incompatible with the GFA. I don't see why a requirement to hold ID is.

What I think about that particular money-making scam scheme is unprintable.

I'm well aware that currently the government can't put cameras in your home, thanks.

I was theorising about where this could lead given the track record of state over reach in various areas.

Everyone here is theorising about possible ramifications and things that could become an issue.

I was pointing out that allegedly benign applications of technology for "safety and security" can be abused and should be carefully considered before application, and I have little faith in government, regardless of party, to implement them purely for the benefit of the populous.

It's hardly conspiracy theorising to be concerned, given the huge changes that are being explored and promoted, such as CDBC, facial recognition, biometrics, and things like our complete reliance on technology for every aspect of our infrastructure, never mind individual privacy concerns and misuse of data.

Just a reminder that 1984 is a work of fiction. A classic yes but still a fiction. It does not predict future. Using this logic we could start using The Hunger Games as a warning.

Thanks for that. Are you pro gov cameras too?

I’m not necessarily opposed to an ID card scheme not linked to my health records or bank details. I am opposed to Palantir or OpenAI or any secretive US tech firm running the scheme. Privacy may have gone, but we can still cling on to the demand not to have the tech broligarchy absolutely running everything.

https://broligarchy.substack.com/

I don’t have a stance on something that is not going to happen and I don’t waste my time coming up with dystopian scenarios.
how do you go from having a government issued ID number, which is common place in many EU countries and has NOT caused any of the catastrophic scenarios to become reality, to imagining cameras in your house?
what other conspiracy theories do you support ?

I’m from Belgium

On a side note if the government did want to instal a camera in your house why would they need to force you to have an ID number first?
there is zero logic there

I’m French and I can tell you this doesn’t happen in France where everyone has an ID card so I can’t see why it would happen in the UK.

You clearly don’t remember the over-reach during lockdowns and vaccine passports then!

This right here ☝🏼

Do people not provide their ID in the form of passport or drivers licence if required? How is digital any different?

That doesn't explain why a digital ID would be worse.

You are wasting it since the post was about gov cameras.