ID cards to be introduced. What do you feel. ?

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I have worked in serious organised crime for two decades. This is one of the best bits of news I have read in a long while. I have also been involved in ‘small boat’ arrivals. The reason people will by pass several safe EU countries to get to the UK is ‘I can get lost if I don’t get asylum’ ‘UK has no ID cards’ . It’s a no brainer .. why why has it taken so long. ? If you want to have the services your country has to offer - through most of the world - from healthcare to the library- you need to show you are a bona-fida citizen. However , for some unfathomable reason , the flag waving right wingers are always the one to oppose ..is it because they are scared it will work and leave their thinly veiled racism floundering ?

Yes to ID cards = YANBU
No to ID cards = YABU

They're going to have to make Northern Ireland exempt anyway, make it optional there by law, which is going to mess up any real way to make them compulsory.
Not sure it'll have nay real effect TBH, police can already ask to see ID...

You are very naive if you think you have any control over this.

Eh? Over what?

I've asked the OP twice why they accuse the Right of racism as they've objected to ID.
How is it racist to object to ID that could cut down on illegal immigration? That's exactly the opposite of racism.

I do wonder whether some people have a daily goal to see how many times they can use the word.

There are far too many comments for me to go through to see if this question has been answered already, but what about those that don’t have smart phones or digital access?
I work with older people. Many do have smart phones (and are more tech savvy than me), but equally many don’t.
My mum is nearly 80. She neither has nor wants internet at home nor a mobile phone. She won’t even have a debit card. Sure, she’s not going to applying for work. But she uses public services. What would she do if this is made compulsory?
oh and she’s never had a passport or driving license either.

Literally any of your personal data.

If they were interested, which they are almost certainly not, the Chinese and Russian governments could probably access information about you that even your husband doesn't know, information which is far more sensitive than anything contained on an ID card. It would be the work of minutes to know where and when you were born, your mother's maiden name and her mother's maiden name, where you live now, where you have previously lived, where you work, what you get paid, what car you drive, where your kids go to school and so on. They can probably also find out who you vote for, your sexual preferences, the date of your last period and what book you are currently reading on your Kindle.

You've given much more of this information than you think to corporations like Google, Amazon and Meta, for a start.

Yes.
I'm against Reform getting in but that has nothing to do with ID cards.

Why? Just offer all genuine Irish citizens an ID card if they want/need one or accept the Irish Public Services Card in the UK.

This is my impression.

I'm not sure how you interact with society - do basic things like see a doctor or claim a pension - without having huge amounts of data held on a database.

I think you have to look at this from a future standpoint. Right now it might seem that there's nothing sinister at all and that our info is already 'out there' and this system could be useful. However future governments can extend a Digital ID scheme and we could end up with a social credit system. Plus add to that a digital currency (which won't be far off) and next thing you know you are being limited in what you can do and how much you can spend. Yes it sounds dystopian now but considering there are countries where this happens, such as China, it should raise concerns.

What countries? China?

It's potentially an issue because at the moment, there's no requirement to have a UK state issued ID to live there. Obviously that would be inflammatory to a percentage of the population. Irish passports will suffice to show legal residence, and can be used to prove things like ordinary residence alongside other documentation, just as British ones can. But while Ireland does issue an optional sort of ID card, basically a card form of the passport, it's not equivalent to the proposed British one.

Quite so.

The OP has disappeared, so its hard to conclude that their intentions in starting this thread, were honourable.

Certainly, they are clearly not non-partisan.

This is exactly the same for my 89 year old mum. Add the fact that she is partially sighted to the mix. I'm also unhappy with the way we are seemingly being forced to have everything on our phones. I haven't got a problem with a physical ID card as such, but having a digital one opens up a whole can of worms.

China doesn't operate a social credit system.

I think the things you are worried about are the stuff of dystopian fiction. Does that mean they can't ever happen? No. Anything could happen. Are they likely to happen? Also no, in my opinion. And they could theoretically happen with or without digital ID.

Almost all EU citizens have some sort of national ID card. Do you not think there would be widespread civil unrest across the entire continent if holding such ID led to the sort of measures you have described?

The EU.

It will need sorting out in any case because Irish citizens will need a means to access the services they are entitled to when in the rest of the UK.

this is a great post! You’re confusing the ID that they have in the EU. Which isn’t the same.

People seem very confused about “digital ID”.

It is not the same thing as carrying ID cards that people have in the EU. It is a wholly different beast.

It means you have a number. An identifier. Your ability to do anything can be turned off by the government at any time.

Whether that is taking a flight, buying something on Amazon or sending a parcel.

Whether that is looking at the internet, opening a bank account or accessing the NHS.

In the EU, we are rapidly moving towards a digital ID. The EU is pushing companies like Amazon to require it to make purchases or Facebook to “verify” your account. Right now it is voluntary and works mainly across government agencies - healthcare, mail service, tax authorities. But in due course it won’t be voluntary.

It does absolutely nothing to stop illegal migrants from entering the country or working in the black economy.

To clarify the majority don’t have it. Starmer is pushing it on everyone. It’s illegal and it was never in the manifesto when one man and his dog voted for him. For record I can’t stand reform either, same shit different approach for total control . Enough is enough

Can you link to a credible source explaining how it could be used to do those things?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System

Erm, Google disagrees with your assertion that China does not operate a social credit ststem. Multiple times, multiple sources.

Also am opposed to this level of surveillance as our successive governments have proved time and again they couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery and are simply focused on funneling public money into private enterprise, mostly owned by tech bros with very questionable agendas.

Of course people know this already. Kindle promoting the next book or Ocado advertising a product I’d like is something I’m aware of when I sign up. If the Russians want to know too whatever.

The gov having joined up digital access and control is something else. And all these ID systems created years ago are not what can be done now, especially with AI increasing.

Those of you who say ‘if you have nothing to hide who cares’ can you tell me would you be okay with a government camera in every room of your house and if not, why?

Not in bedrooms or bathrooms where people change or have sex, use the loo or shower.

In the kitchen, lounge, office, playroom - why not? Can't see the government giving a fuck about my curry recipe or the amount of star wars DS watches, or the argument dh and i had about the split of bills.

Let's all just move to 1984. Are you seriously saying you gave no problem with government cameras in your house?

This will now turn into a thread about which rooms of the house people like to have sex in.