ID cards to be introduced. What do you feel. ?

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I have worked in serious organised crime for two decades. This is one of the best bits of news I have read in a long while. I have also been involved in ‘small boat’ arrivals. The reason people will by pass several safe EU countries to get to the UK is ‘I can get lost if I don’t get asylum’ ‘UK has no ID cards’ . It’s a no brainer .. why why has it taken so long. ? If you want to have the services your country has to offer - through most of the world - from healthcare to the library- you need to show you are a bona-fida citizen. However , for some unfathomable reason , the flag waving right wingers are always the one to oppose ..is it because they are scared it will work and leave their thinly veiled racism floundering ?

Yes to ID cards = YANBU
No to ID cards = YABU

Because MN is the last bastion of the 11% of population who support Labour and Starmer

I’m sorry @twistyizzy

But that photo of Rodders - what an utter plank.…

Must use it to scare the kids during Hallowe’en - replete with a nasal voice, repeatedly intoning one of his many meaningless sound bites.

🤣🤣

100%.

Not everyone can afford £94.50 for a passport, especially if they never travel abroad. Not everyone can afford £34 for a driving licence, which you can't get if you have various medical conditions anyway.

I completely forgot that the last time Blair tried to introduce ID cards it was to stop terrorism, this time it's to stop illegal immigration. I can't believe people keep falling for the excuses.

I have no issue at all with ID cards. I am a bit suspicious of anyone who doesn't think they are a good idea, tbh. I suspect a lot of dodgy self employed folk don't like it as it will becomd much easier for people to insist on seeing an ID card and paying bank details that match etc

I think there will need to be plans however for a transitional period where it suddenly becomes clear there's a load of undocumented people among us who've lived here god knows how long and suddenly are up the swanee, lots of whom have children who are uk citizens etc. There would have to be an amnesty or a transitional leave to remain scheme or something

Where has the OP gone, incidentally???

The Tony Blair Institute doesn't work on Fridays.

🤣🤣 too busy sorting out their lucrative private contract for overseeing the Gaza issue

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3drmk95xlzo.amp

Petitions are useless. Remember the 6 million people who petitioned for a second Brexit referendum?

We need to stop (already!) calling it an ID card. It is NOT going to be a card.
It is a digital ID system.

Not a card that you keep with your credit card, but a central database to be interrogated by a device... not a card in your pocket, easily faked, but something hidden behind an app with (presumably biometric access).

Will you have to have phone signal/WiFi or is your device trusted offline? (The answer to offline trust is NO in a system that is compulsory... and easily faked)

Mind you... it is only to prove your eligibility to work in this country. Isn't it?

Those of you who say ‘if you have nothing to hide who cares’ can you tell me would you be okay with a government camera in every room of your house and if not, why? Since plenty of crime and awful crime such as domestic abuse goes on behind closed doors.

Exactly. A ‘digital ID scheme’. The clue is in the name.

We’ll see. Labour got spooked by votes and the WFA and reversed it.

As you are for this system are you equally ok with it if Reform do get in?

Also what happens if another country causes an outage of access to the data are we all just stuck unable to access services?

Possibly not in the loo, even the big brother house has some privacy.

What services?

This is why this is scary! 🤣 people are like who cares and no idea what they will be giving up.

The Tony Blair Institute never stops working, meddling in things that are none of its business and pushing questionable agendas.

We have had eligibility checks for employment and housing in the UK for some time now. The sort of employers and landlords who employ and house those not eligible are happily exploiting people by paying below minimum wage and by providing unfit housing. They are not going to stop just because we have ID cards.

What is missing is enforcement of the current rules. We have a ton of laws on the books already that we don’t bother to enforce. Maybe spending some of the money that would be needed for ID cards on enforcement would have some positive outcomes. ID cards without enforcement will be useless.

France has many illegal immigrants working and ignoring the rules, and those who come here are employed in the same way.

I've been living in a country with ID cards for the last 8 years and I haven't given anything up.

I think people who are worried about privacy have literally no idea how much of their personal data is already out there. It might have been a valid argument 20 years ago but that bird has well and truly flown now.

A card or a digital ID scheme?

What difference does it make? A card is just a physical copy of the information held about you on the database.

If anything a physical card is more of a security risk because it can be lost or stolen by a member of the public.

The difference is ability to control and level of oversight on activity. Take a look at China.