ID cards to be introduced. What do you feel. ?

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I have worked in serious organised crime for two decades. This is one of the best bits of news I have read in a long while. I have also been involved in ‘small boat’ arrivals. The reason people will by pass several safe EU countries to get to the UK is ‘I can get lost if I don’t get asylum’ ‘UK has no ID cards’ . It’s a no brainer .. why why has it taken so long. ? If you want to have the services your country has to offer - through most of the world - from healthcare to the library- you need to show you are a bona-fida citizen. However , for some unfathomable reason , the flag waving right wingers are always the one to oppose ..is it because they are scared it will work and leave their thinly veiled racism floundering ?

Yes to ID cards = YANBU
No to ID cards = YABU

All sounds as clear as mud!

Worth pointing out also that they're not going to be free, because they can't be. The resources will have to come from somewhere. Either they will be paid for by the individual or the collective state pot. It sounds like it'll be the latter.

The NHS denial of service attacks were huge. And ACSG (2022) and Synnovis (2024) attacks and hacks resulted in patients personal details being published on the dark Web.

If you’re struggling to understand that very clear concept, it’s on you, not the government.

I can see the pros to this, it’s convenient to have everything in one place but there are a few concerns I have

1. From what I gather from news articles, it won’t just contain your passport/driving licence/NHS number etc (fine with these types of things as we provide them readily anyway), but it will also contain your banking information and your browsing history. This seems a step too far for my comfort as it’s very intrusive indeed.
2. What do we do if there’s an outage?
3. Cyber security concerns

Ill reserve judgement until we know more for definite, though!

No. Farage can SAY what he likes, it doesn't make it true. He's pissed off because this might work and undermine his USP.

Are you that deluded? If ID cards go ahead (which I doubt tbh) then he would 100% write into the manifesto that he would repeal them. I really don't imagine that he's pissed off about them because the chance of them being implemented are small based on the strength of opposition to them

With Starmer there is thankfully always a tweet

Well this isn’t voter ID, so that’s irrelevant.

You think ID cards will do this? Someone said they were find with police stopping them in other countries. Has it stopped illegal migration there?

The NHS app is crap. I’m waiting on a referral that keeps disappearing and another appointment isn’t even on there, presumably because it’s at another trust.

But compulsory ID will be exactly that

That’s me.

I said that it’s the norm across Europe to have to carry them.

The fact of it is we’re in a crisis caused by Brexit and this is one thing that will help. If you have to show your digital ID to work in the gig economy, a lot of people won’t be able to work in it. That makes it less attractive to come over.

No, it won’t? Voter ID was introduced by the previous government.

‘Thick’ insult is just a standard response, it doesn’t help Labour though.

I am confused by this from Guardian:

"A national insurance number “won’t be sufficient” in future to prove employment rights, she said."

It never was sufficient to prove employment rights]

Poorer / disadvantaged people will have access to photo ID for the first time if it's free, which in turn will allow them to apply for jobs, for credit, even get into night clubs. Atm it costs £94.50 for a passport or £34 for a driving licence, which is way beyond a lot of people.

Has it helped tackle the migration issue in Italy? Or Germany? Or anywhere that has ID cards and still has the same problems.

They aren’t being pedantic. It just sounded funny as if you were part of the mafia or something.

Thales most likely.

www.thalesgroup.com/en/markets/digital-identity-and-security/government/identity/digital-identity-services/digital-id-wallet

i currently live in a country where we have a residents card which just about everything is linked to, bank, mobile services, rental etc.

it was a bit weird (and a pain too) at first, mainly because I’d forget I needed it just to do banking ect but after a couple of months you get used to it.

it’s never once made me feel like I’m being watched or controlled by the government. In fact for renewal of visa’s/driving licence etc it makes the whole process much quicker and easier.

I have no problem with having the ID card, but I have a massive problem trusting a government, that I wouldn't even trust to choose my dinner for me, being in possession of my personal information and it somehow either getting 'lost' or misused.
Considering the problems M&S and the Co-Op have had in recent months, I would not hold out much hope that my data would be secure and not get into the hands of hackers- in fact, I think launching it would be a logistical nightmare if everybody signs up at the same time and would be almost like handing the hackers everybody's information on a plate to do exactly what they wanted with it.
I certainly have no trust for Kier Starmer and wonder how far this would be taken. Once we've been given ID cards, would everything we did be tracked and held against us?

I was thinking that. I'm sure for a short time when you renewed your passport you got an ID card as well.

In the end it was abandoned so virtually the only people with them were journalists.

Let’s indulge in Starmer’s fantasy for a moment - that his ID plan is to address immigration (read - try to confront Reform).

Do you think it will be more or less successful than a) his promise to ‘smash the gangs’, and b) his one in-one out policy?

Final question - how do you see the costs for this impacting Reeve’s ‘black hole’?

The difference is that multiple databases will be joined up into one centralised database.

If this database wanted to be used nefariously say for… social score reasons it could.
If a hacker wanted to steal your identity easily, they could.

Its not conspiratorial to not trust the government with every facet of your life.

There’s a lot of risk.

They have this information already 😂