ID cards to be introduced. What do you feel. ?

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I have worked in serious organised crime for two decades. This is one of the best bits of news I have read in a long while. I have also been involved in ‘small boat’ arrivals. The reason people will by pass several safe EU countries to get to the UK is ‘I can get lost if I don’t get asylum’ ‘UK has no ID cards’ . It’s a no brainer .. why why has it taken so long. ? If you want to have the services your country has to offer - through most of the world - from healthcare to the library- you need to show you are a bona-fida citizen. However , for some unfathomable reason , the flag waving right wingers are always the one to oppose ..is it because they are scared it will work and leave their thinly veiled racism floundering ?

Yes to ID cards = YANBU
No to ID cards = YABU

It really is godawful policy.

Not least because the people who are against it are probably more opposed than the people who like it are for, iyswim. I doubt it's a majority who have that visceral opposition, but it's going to be a good chunk. This is before the ones who get put off when it inevitably runs into problems and when it doesn't do the things they want it to.

It’s just you. The rest of us can use our critical thinking skills and see that ID cards wouldn’t make the slightest bit of difference to any of the issues you have raised.

Or drove your car with a number plate on it.

My dad does not have a smartphone. He is in his 70s. Happy without one all his life. Has no desire to have one and no interest in understanding one.
Telling him his must have one wont work. He would put it in a drawer and never look at it.

I don't get why only the countries who have compulsory ID card systems appear to count as 'real' in this example.

Yep

Why ?

The Nazis really liked the Dutch database listing all Jewish people with their names and addresses. And then they didn't have computers that would give them the list instantly rather than having to copy it down laboriously.

I’m not surprised.

It's just for the sake of being stubborn and arsey.

Good luck finding a data-centre big enough to store the list of 'genders'.

😂 As much as I hate to admit it, I suspect you may be partially right. Not completely. I think some of us have a deep distrust of authority and others simply don’t like being told what to do. Personally it’s 50% a combination of these reasons and 50% not being able to see any benefit or added convenience to my life, but plenty of aggravation and potential for problems.

I can't believe how gullible some people are.

This has nothing to do with illegal immigration, Tony Blair has used various excuses to introduce Digital ID.

Illegal immigrants are being housed without ID right now. Do you think they land in the country and will be sent back to France because they have no digital ID?

Are these ID cards going to require religious affiliation be declared?

There is ZERO equivalence between what the Dutch did and this. Don't do that.

I knew the majority on MN would have their tongues hanging out for this.
"Very sensible idea, I'm all for it, I've got nothing to hide."

Wholly unable to imagine what this could spiral into and the type of future we are heading for.

So this is supposed to stop all the dinghies landing in Kent?

Is it bollocks. It's about control and nothing else.

Hopefully Labour are booted out of number 10 before it gets anywhere near being a reality.

None of the people I know who oppose the cards are at all right wing. Most just don't think it will work/want the money spent on something else.

People were fined and Sara Everard murdered

Personally I think it’s OK and a good idea.

Whether they can implement it efficiently, quickly, reasonably is another matter. Covid track and trace anyone? The political drama that will follow?

Basically this will turn into another big pointless media fight so they can avoid doing any actual work or getting anything done, whilst the pound slides further and the budget looms and we rack up more and more debt interest. And they Labour are infighting as badly or worse than the Tories already. Then you have Nigel Farage finding yet another platform to criticise from, although it’s blatantly clear he loves to just have a go and pontificate and doesn’t want the job either of actually making anything happen that would actually entail positive leadership.
The country is doomed to a bunch of playground fighting forevermore. Not really sure why they are even there anymore, any of them.

Starmer is a proven bullshitter - pathological, in fact.

We all know he has an ulterior motive, and a number of posters have put forward their hypotheses.

In any event, it will not get past the Labour back benches - many of which have constituencies that will push back on any attempt to implement a national ID.

My British husband used to oppose the idea of ID cards because “civil liberties”. Now he wants one having spent years travelling with me and being stuck in the long queue in every airport while I whizz past with my ID card. (Of course this only happens in Europe). so that’s one practical use I suppose …but I appreciate that some might be more sceptical . I don’t understand it but I admire the spirit of those who oppose it. I wish there was more of that spirit around when Covid restrictions were introduced.

I thought the country was broke so where is the money coming from to pay for this?
Are we supposed to buy it? People are already at food banks how are they going to afford an ID card?
Plus the government doesnt have the greatest track record of being honest so I truly dont trust the intentions.

The previous proposals were to store absolutely everything the state knows about people on the ID database. That is likely to include religion, place of birth and full medical and employment history at the very least.

How much did the Tories spend on Test and Trace again?

This was my first thought when I heard the news. For digital ID to be 'mandatory' this would effectively make having a smartphone 'mandatory' in order to access it. Not sure how the govt can do this given that this comes with significant costs that many may not be able to afford.

And not really sure I follow the logic that this will 'prevent illegal migration'. We already all have documents to prove our right to live and work in the UK. Migrants just need those same documents.

The main concern I think many people have with digital ID cards is that they could become a gateway to a social credit system, like they have in China, that literally tells citizens what they are 'allowed' to buy and when. I personally wouldn't want something like that coming to the UK.