ID cards to be introduced. What do you feel. ?

[Fishingboatbobbingnight]

I have worked in serious organised crime for two decades. This is one of the best bits of news I have read in a long while. I have also been involved in ‘small boat’ arrivals. The reason people will by pass several safe EU countries to get to the UK is ‘I can get lost if I don’t get asylum’ ‘UK has no ID cards’ . It’s a no brainer .. why why has it taken so long. ? If you want to have the services your country has to offer - through most of the world - from healthcare to the library- you need to show you are a bona-fida citizen. However , for some unfathomable reason , the flag waving right wingers are always the one to oppose ..is it because they are scared it will work and leave their thinly veiled racism floundering ?

Yes to ID cards = YANBU
No to ID cards = YABU

What about those who don't have a smartphone, or don't carry them all the time? I don't take mine everywhere

Grow up! I was in Turkey recently and they have ID cards, Turks can use their ID cards instead of passports which I assume you don’t hold as you object so much! A passport or a driving license is a form of ID 🤦‍♀️

Many of us already carry driving licences which have a lot of information about us, and even more carry phones which have a staggering amount of information about us, so ID cards would put bits of that information together in one place. No objection. My only query is how will they make them impossible to forge!

Same. I take my keys with me and purse if I am going to a shop.
I rarely take my phone out and it is not smart anymore anyway. Very old and slow. I cant even use a web browser on it. I am happy with it doing calls and texts because that is what phones are for my my eyes. Not mini computers.

Yes I was thinking that could be an easy win for Reform "we will scrap identity cards"

As a new immigrant to the UK, I am very confused by this.
All legal immigrants used to have a BRP card. I had to show this to rent a flat and enter the country..Then last year it was replaced by a digital evisa. Which I had to show for the same purposes. I will also show the evisa if I change jobs. That's my ID. Which I can also show if the police pick me up.

How will the card make any difference? Employers and landlords who want to ignore this will continue to employ pr rent to illegals.

Very good point.

Promptly deported from the UK , are you being serious?

You wouldn't be able to registered with a tax-payer funded optician in order to get an eye test - so no banging on your door at 6am. And bailiffs do that to collect on unpaid debts, nothing to do with eye tests.

Look, I hate change as much as the next person. But this really isn't a big deal. There will be a phase-in period, there will be cock ups, you may/may not be required to update registration for taxpayer-funded services (which will be the bulk of the rationale for this initiative). In reality, it's really not a big deal. Unless the govt cock up the roll out, which they almost certainly will....

Surely the onus is on the person requiring your digital ID to have a system capable of interrogating the national ID database - rather than an individual providing info from their own unverifiable device.

You won't need an ID card to buy a pint of milk 😂

If you need to prove your identity for any reason while you're on your way to Tescos and can't, you'll be given time and a location to provide it.

They'd be stupid not to.

Thanks for info.

Or they will push their own agenda. If Nigel said ID cards the day after election would you vote him in? Note he hasn't said it will remove illegal migrants. What if he says National Service? But that's for another thread. Once a system is introduced at great cost it won't be scrapped but Farage would sell it to his City chums.

Simply incinerate, say, GBP 50 billion, and send all our raw data directly to Beijing.

Cut out the middle man, and save time.

There, fixed it.

I come from an EU country with ID cards. I never ever was stopped and asked by the police to provide it out of nowhere.

But, it's an easy way to prove my identiy, at the bank, at the GP/hospital, at work, at school, to vote, towards the landlord and and and.

The world never ends just because I have a piece of plastic in my purse.

If you don’t think a government, any government, forcing you to prove your identity and entitlement under pain if prosecuting or fiscal sanction is a big deal than you are an idiot.

Is it just me but am I sick of people who bleat they don’t have a smart phone, don’t want to show ID cards and can we think of the elderly who cannot be bothered.

Get with it. We have a big issue in the UK with people pretending they are someone else, small boats stuffed full,of people with no ID. People driving on other people’s driving licences (Birmingham is rife with this).

Ofher countries have no such issues. So the people who claim they won’t do it. When a police officer asks who you are you are going to refuse to say?

I don't like the idea because apparently it's linked to Palantir, a shady right-wing CIA digital database that's collecting digital data on everyone.

It's fine if they want us to use an ID card to access services, prove our right to use the NHS etc. It would make it easier for me as I don't have a driving licence so I have to use my passport for everything which is annoying. But i read they want to connect digital id to our bank accounts? Like why?

However I mainly worry about mission creep - once they have us all on the system, they can probably use it to track our activities online and log it to our profile. Before you know it, social media accounts will ask us to verify with it meaning you won't be truly anonymous, and if you get involved in protesting the government or anything, or show support for something, eg Palestine or something they don't want you to support, they can 'punish' you by excluding you from services etc. You'll never be truly anonymous on the intranet again, and it's another form of censorship really, because people will be afraid to say what they think anymore, in case it gets used against them. Obviously I'm not talking about criminal gangs or violent protestors or terrorists etc, just ordinary people. It could lead to an invasion of our privacy, with everything we do logged against our profile, for anyone to access really!

You really think that countries with ID do not have crime?

Entitlement under pain?? It’s an ID card. Stop blowing this up out of all proportion.

Yep, another gift to Reform.

Being autistic as an adult if there are rules you have to follow them autistic or not.

I've got no issues with it at all, and can see no problem with it being digital. Driving License and passport information is now all stored digitally so no difference on that front. I've read that plans will be made for people who don't use smart devices, so that's covered too.

Of course not. But why shouldn’t we have proof,as to who we are. Lots of people lie to avoid detection or pretend they are someone else.