ID cards to be introduced. What do you feel. ?

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I have worked in serious organised crime for two decades. This is one of the best bits of news I have read in a long while. I have also been involved in ‘small boat’ arrivals. The reason people will by pass several safe EU countries to get to the UK is ‘I can get lost if I don’t get asylum’ ‘UK has no ID cards’ . It’s a no brainer .. why why has it taken so long. ? If you want to have the services your country has to offer - through most of the world - from healthcare to the library- you need to show you are a bona-fida citizen. However , for some unfathomable reason , the flag waving right wingers are always the one to oppose ..is it because they are scared it will work and leave their thinly veiled racism floundering ?

Yes to ID cards = YANBU
No to ID cards = YABU

Are you feeling OK ?

I don’t think they were much liked when we had them in the war. You used to have produce them and they confirmed your entitlement to food. A lot of people were glad to see them go in the 1950s

I have dual nationality and come from a country with compulsory ID’s. They are very handy and cause no issues and certainly never made me feel like I was living in a police state. I think they should’ve been introduced ages ago.

Um ok

Well, I guess that's the same reason our DS got a provisional licence. I'm over 60, so I would have to keep renewing it after 70, I suppose. Also, to be honest not driving is making a point/ for ideological reasons

My autistic OH will refuse. How willl they enforce without discrimination. Huge waste of time and money.

On the upside, at least discussing it is a welcome distraction from flags!

If you are stopped by the police they already ask for ID so what’s your issue?

Or a brain implant which can stop you having wrong think.

For you Englander, the war is over!!

Well, in the country I live in, you can't register with a doctor, make a hospital appointment, register with a pharmacy, access dental care, register your home, sign up for a phone contract, do jury service, enroll your children at public school, register your car with the equivalent of DVLA, vote - VOTE - apply for social security, file taxes etc etc etc without ID.

There are accepted forms of ID: passport (not everyone has one and they cost money and need to be renewed every 10 years; ID cards are free and need to be renewed if anything changes with it rarely does) + normally two other forms that evidence your finances are attached to your proof of residence.

Do you not interact with any service, ever? Do you go to the GP? A&E? The dentist? You show it once, upon registration with a new practitioner, and you're never asked for it again. Just a cursory "are all your details the same?" when you show up for your appointment.

What do you think it's like? What's your actual concern?

Sell it as stopping boats/Starmer/and people parking outside your house and there will be queues miles long. Now thinking about the film Kingsman

Unless they are going to arrest you you are under no obligation to tell them anything.

I am a dual citizen and moved back to my home country last year, ID cards are normal here. I registered with the council when I moved here, they put a secure sticker on my ID card to cover the previous "address" of "no residence in country X". Renewed that earlier this year. Now if I need to prove my address I just show my ID card, it is proof of who I am and where I live.
No "proof of address" consisting of various utility bills.

In fact, after 30 years of carrying an ID card, I'd feel quite naked without one.

The answer here is you don’t have to tell them or provide it. If a policeman tells me to identify myself, he’s asking for my compliance. I don’t have to.

I have been carrying an ID card for nearly 50 years in Europe (and a year in China). It’s very convient way of proving who you are and more reliable than the Uk electricity bill. It is used for housing, health, jobs as well as banking among many other things. I feel that others who haven’t paid their taxes or not taking advantage of those who have.
Sure it can be copied but with new ai coming on line the corrupt will be caught one way or another.

Considering most dentists are private it's none of their business whether you have a card or not.

I hope the government don't expect us to pay for their latest shit show.

I have no issue with having one at all. There is probably more info stored about me on my nectar card.

For those who think we should be introducing compulsory digital ID because various other countries have cards, is there a reason you think we should be emulating them rather than the lots of countries who don't? It's not a West thing, as a lot of Western Europe does but most of the Anglosphere doesn't.

I truly no longer trust the state. One too many scandals. How long until “National ID data breach” is splashed across the front pages?

I think they just want to sell our data to their mates and see what we’re tweeting…

I lived in France 30 years ago. Everyone had to carry ID cards. As a foreigner I had a carte de sejour. Once or twice I was stopped by police and asked for my papers.

it’s completely normal in many countries. I’m not bothered about it personally

Would someone need to countersign, like with a passport. What happens to those

Yes! Lived in Norway and they are brilliant. We are so out of date and out of step in the UK

I don’t live in the same country as you. I live in the UK and I wouldn’t trust Starmer with a broken biro. It’s a form of control and I want none of it.

Driving licences won't do — even "non-driving driving licences", for those who haven't passed a test, as they have in many US states — because the core point of an ID card is to prove your citizenship, and your driving licence doesn't report that.

To rent a flat in the UK now, the landlord has to satisfy themselves that you are legally resident. In practice this often comes down to "whether you sound British". But our DGS, who will not have UK nationality courtesy of the British Nationality Act 1981, will have perfect accentless British English through his parents when he learns to speak (he's 1) whereas many British citizens have a non-standard accent and yet no piece of paper that proves they are a citizen. (Don't get me started on all the EU people with status under the Withdrawal Agreement who don't have any physical proof of that either!)

However, while I'm very much in favour of the principle, I'm not sure if the public is ready for digital ID because of the sheer amount of misinformation out there. I wish the Tories had not abolished the entirely voluntary ID card that was developed under Blair and finally issued under Brown — 15 years of people having seen that causing no problems would be a good basis for making it mandatory and/or digital.

All the information they govt needs is all available to them - just not in a way that's convenient for them. ID cards make all of what they do more convenient for them.

The introduction of ID cards doesn't repeal laws that protect citizens or introduce new ones that remove existing rights (other than to not have an ID, of course). It's not like the police can suddenly start harassing you for things they're currently unable to harass you for. If it was illegal then, it'll be illegal in the future. Obviously the police don't always act within the law - but that's got nothing to do with ID cards.

The "prove their right to exist" is just stupid, sorry. If you're standing in front of someone, you exist. ID cards don't delete your right to move freely through life unmolested - why would they? Are people in countries with ID cards routinely molested? I'm not, and never have been! And I'm afraid that everyone who lives in a society that isn't 100% law-abiding loses the right to be trusted, within the confines of innocent until proven guilty. Again, ID cards don't change this.

Totally with you on their introduction being almost certainly fucked up in some way, though, and costing a fortune.